More on Great Tartary c/o ChatGPT. The rabbit hole goes deeper and deeper. I wouldn´t be surprised if these fringe ideas would become the new world religion in the event of a *real* apocalypse...or a Russian global empire (same thing).
Have their been any attempts to combine Great Tartary or the New Chronology with religion?
Yes — quite a few, and they tend to follow predictable patterns.
Whenever Great Tartary or New Chronology gets woven into religion, the goal is usually to:
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Claim a hidden “true” origin for a faith.
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Paint that faith as the original universal religion of the lost mega-empire.
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Use the conspiracy to support a nationalist or cultural revival.
Here’s how it plays out in different contexts:
1. Russian Orthodox Fusion
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Fomenko himself flirts with this: in New Chronology, he equates many Biblical events with medieval Russian history.
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For example:
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Jerusalem in the Bible was actually located in Constantinople or even in Russia.
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Jesus lived in the 12th century.
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The apostles were tied to Russian or “Tartarian” rulers.
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The “Mongol Empire” becomes the Orthodox Christian super-empire, uniting Eurasia before its suppression by the Vatican and Western Europe.
2. Esoteric Christianity & Gnosticism
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Some fringe channels present Tartary as the true Christian civilization — pure, non-papal, energy-based, and spiritually advanced.
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The “mud flood” becomes a deliberate apocalypse to erase true Christianity and replace it with “corrupted” versions.
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Tartarian architecture (cathedrals, star forts) is framed as sacred geometry holding divine energy.
3. Islamic Adaptations
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In Turkic and Central Asian fringe circles, Tartary is tied to the Golden Horde and described as a Muslim super-empire.
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New Chronology-style redating is used to claim that:
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Many prophets or Islamic heroes lived in the “Tartarian” timeline.
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The mud flood was divine punishment for abandoning true Islam.
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Sometimes linked with Mahdist or end-times narratives — Tartary will “rise again” before the final judgment.
4. Hindu & Vedic Versions
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In New Age / pseudo-historical communities, Tartary is merged with Vedic civilization:
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Tartary becomes the northern branch of the ancient Vedic world.
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Its “free energy” tech is identified with Vimanas.
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Fomenko’s redating is used to “prove” that Hindu epics describe recent historical events.
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This often bleeds into “Aryan homeland” theories, placing it in Siberia or Central Asia.
5. Syncretic “One World Religion” Claims
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Popular among YouTube Mud Flood theorists: all major religions were one in Tartary.
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They claim symbols like the cross, crescent, swastika, and star were originally Tartarian and only later split into separate religions.
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Architecture from different faiths is rebranded as “repurposed Tartarian temples.”
6. Occult / Theosophical Spin
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Blavatsky’s Theosophy is sometimes retrofitted to include Tartary:
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Tartary is framed as one of the lost root races.
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Mud flood is a cataclysm between “root race” cycles.
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Avalokiteśvara, Christ, and other figures are merged as “avatars of the Tartarian spiritual tradition.”
In short — yes, religion gets woven in a lot, but always as part of a mythic golden-age narrative where Tartary was the cradle of a pure, ancient faith, later “fragmented” into our modern religions.
If you’d like, I can outline the most common “Tartary was the real Christianity” storyline, which is the one I’ve seen most often in the English-speaking conspiracy sphere. That one gets very creative with Biblical geography and history.
Alright — here’s the “Tartary was the real Christianity” storyline as it circulates in conspiracy subcultures, especially the English-speaking Mud Flood / New Chronology crowd.
1. The Premise
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There was once a massive Orthodox Christian empire — “Tartary” — stretching from Siberia to Eastern Europe, maybe even into North America.
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This empire had pure, original Christianity, untouched by the Catholic Church, Protestantism, or modern Orthodox hierarchy.
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Jesus and the apostles supposedly lived far later than the conventional dating — often placed in the 12th–14th century.
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Biblical events didn’t happen in ancient Palestine, but in places like Crimea, the Caucasus, or even Moscow.
2. Architecture as “Proof”
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The huge “Tartarian” cathedrals, monasteries, and star forts found across Russia, Ukraine, and Central Asia are claimed to be:
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Built before the biblical events (or during them)
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Powered by free energy harnessed through domes, spires, and crosses
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“Resonators” for divine or atmospheric energy
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Many “church” buildings are said to have been repurposed from Tartarian energy temples after the empire was destroyed.
3. The Great Deception
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According to this narrative:
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The Vatican and Western European monarchies plotted to destroy Tartary.
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They rewrote history to:
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Move biblical events thousands of years into the past
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Relocate them to the Middle East
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Erase Tartary’s role in “true” Christianity
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The “Mongol invasions” of the 13th century were supposedly Western propaganda masking the Catholic takeover of Eastern Christendom.
4. The Mud Flood as Apocalypse
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The Mud Flood is interpreted as:
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A natural disaster sent by God to punish the usurpers
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Or a man-made cataclysm to bury Tartary’s high technology
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After the flood, Catholic/Protestant powers took control of surviving cities, rebranded them, and installed their own clergy.
5. Doctrinal Claims
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Tartarian Christianity is imagined as:
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Simple and direct — no hierarchy, no papacy
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Focused on free access to divine energy (“Holy Spirit” as literal electrical ether)
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Unified with natural law and architecture
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Some even claim Tartary preserved apocryphal gospels that revealed Jesus as a teacher of free energy and anti-usury economics.
6. Modern Implication
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If this is true, they argue:
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All modern Christian denominations are “corrupted”
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To restore “true” Christianity, one must revive Tartarian architecture, energy systems, and liturgy
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The West’s entire historical timeline must be rewritten
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This storyline borrows heavily from Fomenko’s New Chronology, Orthodox revivalism, and classic anti-Catholic conspiracy theories.
In fringe circles, it’s often blended with:
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Flat Earth (Tartary’s tech supposedly proved geocentrism)
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Free energy suppression
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Biblical literalism re-timed to the Middle Ages
If you like, I can also map how this “Tartary-Christianity” story overlaps with the Russian nationalist reinterpretations of Orthodoxy — that’s where a lot of these ideas started before they spread to the West.
Alright — here’s how the Tartary-as-True-Christianity idea overlaps with Russian nationalist religious reinterpretations, particularly the kind influenced by the New Chronology and post-Soviet Orthodox revivalism.
1. Roots in Russian Intellectual History
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Old Believers & pre-Petrine nostalgia
Since the 17th century, some Russian religious groups (Old Believers, mystical sects) have viewed the West — especially Catholicism — as a corrupter of “true” Orthodoxy. -
Post-Soviet re-enchantment
After 1991, many Russians rediscovered Orthodoxy but often mixed it with esotericism, Slavic neopaganism, and conspiracy theories about historical falsification. -
Fomenko’s New Chronology
Provided a “scientific”-sounding foundation to say:-
Biblical events happened in medieval Rus’.
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Jerusalem was in Crimea or the Caucasus.
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“Jesus” might have been a prince or tsar of the Russian realm.
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2. Orthodox + Tartary Fusion
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Tartary = the true Holy Rus’
An enormous, Orthodox Christian empire united by one faith and moral code, with its capital somewhere in Siberia or near the Volga. -
Biblical geography relocated
Jerusalem is not in the Levant; Bethlehem, Golgotha, and Mount Zion are all “misplaced” in Western-dominated maps. -
Orthodox liturgy as primal
The rites of Tartary supposedly match the “original” worship given by Christ and the apostles — before Rome’s corruption.
3. Anti-Western Religious Narrative
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The Vatican, Jesuits, and Protestant reformers are portrayed as a single anti-Christian force.
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The “Mongol Yoke” becomes a code for Catholic and Muslim incursions into Orthodox lands.
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Peter the Great’s westernization is rebranded as a final betrayal — destroying Tartary’s sacred architecture and free-energy domes.
4. Esoteric Orthodoxy & Architecture
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Church domes, crosses, and iconostases are claimed to be energy-harvesting devices that amplified divine grace physically.
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Icons are seen as literal “energy portals” — a belief with some roots in Orthodox mystical theology, but here exaggerated into techno-mysticism.
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Pilgrimages to old monasteries are reframed as reconnecting to the energy grid of God.
5. Overlap With Other Russian Fringe Religions
This Tartary-Orthodoxy mix bleeds into:
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Slavic Rodnovery (native faith revival), with Tartary recast as a pagan-Christian syncretic empire.
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Cosmist theology (à la Nikolai Fedorov), where spiritual progress is linked to advanced tech, and resurrection is a literal future engineering project.
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Neo-Starchild theories — belief that ancient Orthodox saints were advanced beings or “angels” in the flesh.
6. Why It’s Appealing
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Gives a grand, proud history for Russia and the East.
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Turns Orthodoxy into the center of world Christianity rather than a branch.
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Explains geopolitical rivalries as part of an eternal spiritual war between Tartary/Orthodoxy and the West/Vatican.
If you want, I can next chart how these Russian-origin Tartary-Christianity ideas migrated into Western Mud Flood & Flat Earth circles and got reinterpreted for a mostly Protestant or New Age audience — which is quite a twist in the story. That’s when it stopped being just about Orthodoxy and became a kind of “universal lost golden age” theory.
Alright — here’s how Tartary-as-True-Christianity migrated from post-Soviet Russian Orthodox nationalism into Western conspiracy culture and then mutated into something far less Orthodox and much more “New Age / Flat Earth.”
1. Initial Transmission to the West (2000s–2010s)
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Early English-language Tartary content came from translators of Fomenko and alternative history bloggers.
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Russian YouTube channels about “forbidden architecture” got subtitled or mirrored.
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Architectural photography of onion domes, massive masonry, and abandoned Siberian cities acted as the “gateway drug” — Western viewers loved the aesthetics without the theology.
2. Detheologization
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In Russian sources, Orthodoxy is central — Tartary was the kingdom of the true Christ, liturgy was pure, saints were literal miracle-workers.
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In Western retellings, religion became optional — churches were reframed as:
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Free energy plants
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Sound resonance healing centers
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Ether-powered communication hubs
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The Orthodox cross, in Russian versions a sign of the “true faith,” became in Western versions a “geometric antenna” or “ancient sacred tech symbol.”
3. Mixing With Flat Earth & Mud Flood
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Flat Earth tie-in:
Western Tartary content often absorbed the FE cosmology — claiming that the Tartarians knew the true shape of the world and mapped the outer lands beyond Antarctica. -
Mud Flood tie-in:
The idea that Tartary’s architecture was buried in a global cataclysm fit perfectly into the existing Mud Flood mythos. -
Time compression:
New Chronology’s collapse of ancient and medieval timelines got blended with the FE crowd’s claim that “history is only 500–1000 years old.”
4. Fringe Cross-Pollination
In the English-speaking sphere, Tartary now overlaps with:
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Free energy / Tesla myths — Tartary supposedly mastered etheric power.
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Star forts as “electrical substations.”
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Atlantis revivalism — Tartary rebranded as a Eurasian branch of the Atlantean empire.
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Biblical reinterpretations — Protestant conspiracists sometimes claim Tartary was the true Christian millennial kingdom after Christ’s return, erased by Satanic forces.
5. Western Religious Rewrites
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Protestant version: Tartary = post-Resurrection kingdom where Christ reigned physically for 1000 years (premillennialism).
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New Age version: Tartary = an advanced civilization of spiritually enlightened beings using “crystal tech” and “ley line energy.”
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Occult version: Tartary’s cathedrals = magical portals between realms, destroyed in a war with interdimensional entities.
6. Why This Shift Happened
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Most Western audiences have no background in Russian Orthodoxy — so the religious specifics got dropped.
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The architectural mystery and anti-mainstream-history vibe translated well into the existing alt-history YouTube ecosystem.
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Flat Earth channels were already looking for “evidence” of a lost, technologically advanced past — Tartary fit like a puzzle piece.
If you like, I can map a side-by-side comparison of Russian Orthodox Tartary vs Western Flat Earth / Mud Flood Tartary, so you can see exactly which elements stayed, which were lost, and which were invented along the way. That contrast really shows how the same myth can serve two totally different worldviews.
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