To whom it may concern

- You have bigger problems
than the equator moving, human!

So I asked Gemini to debunk a rather zany conspiracy theory. I mean, in case you fall for it! ;-)  

Does the sun rise and set at different places today than just a few years or decades ago, or is this a misunderstanding or an Internet conspiracy theory?

This is an excellent question that gets at the heart of how our solar system works. The short answer is: Yes, the sunrise and sunset points do change, and it's not a conspiracy theory. However, the change you might notice over a few years or decades is extremely subtle.

Here's a breakdown of the factors at play, from the most significant to the more subtle.

1. The Earth's Axial Tilt (The Main Reason)

The primary reason the sunrise and sunset locations change on a daily and seasonal basis is the Earth's axial tilt. Our planet is tilted on its axis by approximately 23.5 degrees relative to its orbital plane around the sun.

• Daily Change: As the Earth orbits the sun, this tilt means that the Northern and Southern Hemispheres are either tilted towards or away from the sun. This causes the sun's apparent path across the sky to change daily.

• Seasonal Change:

  • Summer Solstice: When your hemisphere is tilted toward the sun, the sun rises and sets at its most northerly point on the horizon. This is why we have long days in the summer.

  • Winter Solstice: When your hemisphere is tilted away from the sun, the sun rises and sets at its most southerly point. This is why days are short in the winter.

  • Equinoxes: On the spring and fall equinoxes, the Earth's axis is not tilted toward or away from the sun, so the sun rises almost exactly due east and sets almost exactly due west.

This daily shift in the sun's rising and setting points is a fundamental and easily observable astronomical phenomenon, and it happens every single year.

2. The Earth's Elliptical Orbit

The Earth's orbit around the sun is not a perfect circle; it's an ellipse. This means that at some times of the year, we are closer to the sun (perihelion) and at other times we are farther away (aphelion). This also affects the sun's apparent speed across the sky and can subtly change the timing of sunrise and sunset.

3. Precession of the Equinoxes (The Long-Term Change)

This is the very slow, long-term change that you are unlikely to notice in your lifetime, but it's a real astronomical effect.

• The Earth's axis of rotation "wobbles" like a spinning top. This wobble, called axial precession, causes the Earth's axis to trace a circle in space over a period of about 26,000 years.

• This means that the direction of the celestial poles changes over time. For example, the North Star has not always been Polaris and will not always be Polaris in the future.

• This slow change in the Earth's orientation in space also means that the position of the sun at the equinoxes slowly shifts against the backdrop of the stars. While the sun will still rise due east at the equinoxes, its position relative to distant constellations will be different over thousands of years. This is what ancient civilizations and astronomers sometimes noticed over generations, but it is not a change that is perceptible over just a few years or even decades.

So, to summarize:Yes, the sun rises and sets in a different place every day. This is a normal, annual cycle caused by the Earth's axial tilt. The position also changes over millennia due to the precession of the equinoxes. This change is real but far too slow to be noticed in a human lifetime. The idea that the sun's position has noticeably changed over a few years or decades in a way that is abnormal or conspiratorial is a misunderstanding. The changes we see are part of the predictable, well-understood astronomical cycles of our planet. 

Is it true that the equator has shifted 150 miles to the north, or is that another misunderstanding or conspiracy theory?

This is a great question that highlights a common source of confusion. The idea that the geographic equator has shifted 150 miles is a misunderstanding. The confusion likely stems from the difference between the Earth's geographic poles and its magnetic poles.

Here's a breakdown of the key concepts to clarify:

1. Geographic Equator (True Equator)

The geographic equator is an imaginary line that is halfway between the Earth's geographic North and South Poles. These poles are the points where the Earth's axis of rotation intersects its surface.

• Is it fixed? For all practical purposes, yes. The geographic equator is a fundamental part of our planetary reference system. While the Earth's axis of rotation does have a very slight "wobble" called polar motion, this shift is minuscule—only a few feet (about 9 meters or 30 feet) over the course of a year. This is not a 150-mile shift.

• Is it a conspiracy theory? Yes, the idea of a 150-mile shift is a conspiracy theory or a misunderstanding of a legitimate scientific concept. The geographic equator, which defines our latitude system, is stable.

2. Magnetic Equator

The magnetic equator is an imaginary line that is everywhere equidistant from the Earth's magnetic North and South Poles. These magnetic poles are the points where the Earth's magnetic field lines are perpendicular to the surface.

• Is it fixed? No, the magnetic equator is not fixed. The Earth's magnetic field is generated by the movement of molten iron in the planet's core, and this movement causes the magnetic poles to constantly drift. The North Magnetic Pole, in particular, has been moving rapidly towards Siberia in recent decades.

• Is the shift significant? Yes, the shift of the magnetic poles is significant for navigation and science. The North Magnetic Pole has been moving from Canada toward Russia at an accelerated rate, and this requires constant updates to the World Magnetic Model that is used by airplanes, ships, and smartphones for navigation.

Conclusion

The confusion almost certainly comes from mixing up the two different "equators."

• The geographic equator, which defines our latitude and longitude system and is used for all maps and GPS, is essentially a fixed line. Any changes are on a scale of feet, not miles.

• The magnetic equator, which is related to the Earth's ever-changing magnetic field, is constantly shifting. The rapid movement of the magnetic poles is a well-documented and scientifically-verified phenomenon, but it has no bearing on the location of the geographic equator or the position of the North and South Poles used for navigation.

The idea seems to be that the southern weather system has moved 150 miles to the north and therefore the equator must have moved, too.

This is a fascinating point, and it touches on a legitimate scientific phenomenon, but it connects it to the wrong conclusion. The core truth here is that weather and climate zones are shifting, but this does not mean the geographic equator has moved.

Here's the breakdown:

What Is Shifting: The Thermal Equator

The "thermal equator" is the line of maximum average temperature around the globe. It's also where the sun's direct rays hit the Earth most intensely, causing air to rise and creating a zone of low pressure and heavy rainfall called the Intertropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ).

• The thermal equator is not a fixed line. Its location is influenced by the unequal distribution of land and water, and it shifts with the seasons. It moves north during the Northern Hemisphere's summer and south during the Southern Hemisphere's summer.

• Climate Change and a Shifting Thermal Equator: Scientists have observed that the average location of the thermal equator is shifting, particularly to the north. This is a documented effect of global warming. The Northern Hemisphere has more landmass than the Southern Hemisphere, and land heats up faster than water. As a result, the Northern Hemisphere is warming at a faster rate, which is causing the thermal equator and the ITCZ to move north.

This northward shift is a major reason why some areas are experiencing changes in their weather patterns, such as:

• A northward shift in tropical rainfall bands.

• The expansion of the "tropics" and the subtropical dry zones (the Hadley cells) towards the poles. This can lead to increased droughts in places like the Mediterranean and the American Southwest.

• Changes in the location of storm tracks, like those for tornadoes in the central U.S.

Why This Doesn't Affect the Geographic Equator

The geographic equator is a fixed, astronomical line. It's defined by the Earth's rotation and is exactly halfway between the geographic North and South Poles.

• The geographic equator is based on the Earth's physical rotation, not on temperature or weather. A shift of 150 miles would require a massive change in the Earth's axis of rotation, which is not happening. As noted before, the wobble (polar motion) is on the scale of a few feet, not miles.

• The idea of a large-scale shift of the geographic equator is a pseudoscientific concept, often tied to "pole shift" or "crustal displacement" theories that are not supported by evidence.

In summary, the observation that southern weather systems (and their associated climate zones) have moved north is scientifically accurate and is a known consequence of climate change. However, the conclusion that this proves the Earth's geographic equator has shifted is a misunderstanding. The weather patterns are shifting relative to the fixed geographic lines, not the other way around.

Mangala Ganapati?

 

Hindus believe the strangest things. Or is somebody else behind this laughably amateurish clip on YouTube, which can´t even AI-generate grammatically correct English? On another YT channel, we learn that there are statues of Ganesha in pre-contact Colombia. Here, we´re supposed to believe that there are idols of the elephant-headed god on Mars?! 

Any relation to Quetzalcoatl´s big face or the Egyptian pyramids? LOL. It´s going to get really crowded on the red planet soon if every religion/culture/alternative thinker will project their greatest achievements onto its surface. Maybe the flat earthers will start arguing that Mars is flat, too? 

The journey to other planets have never been this easy.  

Hey, Groyper, catch!

 

Strictly for the record. 

Journey into Mars

 

The disinformation/click bait about 3I-Atlas on YouTube and, I suppose, other fora is *off the freakin´ scales*. We´re talking Nibiru levels of BS. It´s just some kind of exotic comet, guys. And no, nothing will happen. This time either. Especially not if 3I-Atlas actually does crash into Mars! You *do* realize that Mars isn´t exactly next door to Earth, right? 

And why are you watching that stuff, anyone? Is it some kind of "alt-doom porn"?

But what am I doing, complaining about the interwebs at 1 AM local time... 

Amerika´s Groyper predicament

 

This is an anti-Israeli conspiracy video, actually claiming that Netanyahu´s government killed Charlie Kirk (!), but it does contain some interesting information about Kirk´s views on Israel and his conflicts with the so-called Groypers. It also mentions (albeit briefly) his peculiar Sabbatarianism. 

Carousel

 

I hope this is just one man´s paranoia (after that Lovecraftian extravaganza the other night). If not...well, this is the kaliyuga so what did you expect? I mean, like really?

Sabine in the wormhole

 

Sabine Hossenfelder debunks the most recent Congress-related UAP kerfuffle. Still, it´s interesting that the pro-UAP establishment faction is still pushing...  

The Mark of the AI

 

I assumed this was a mainstream Catholic channel? So what the schmuck is this, then? A number of "conversations" with ChatGPT supposedly prove that Satan is real & in control, the Illuminati may be in control of the AI, and the apocalypse is just around the corner. The mark of the beast (which is 666) will soon be forced on everyone and...yeah, you get the picture.

Ahem, guys, ChatGPT says whatever you want it to say. You´re essentially just talking to yourself. Which, admittedly, might be just as scary...

There´s a kind of debunk at the very end of the video. Thank you, I suppose.

OK Boomer

 

Eller två generationer innan dess, kanske? Fria Tider kastar masken, visar sig vara Hitler-knuttar. Översättning av artikelns rubrik: frimurarna måste vara judar. Eller satanister. Alltså judar.

Suck...

"Nazistisk granskning kan avslöja frimurarna"

Religion in the making

 

More on Great Tartary c/o ChatGPT. The rabbit hole goes deeper and deeper. I wouldn´t be surprised if these fringe ideas would become the new world religion in the event of a *real* apocalypse...or a Russian global empire (same thing).  

Have their been any attempts to combine Great Tartary or the New Chronology with religion?

Yes — quite a few, and they tend to follow predictable patterns.
Whenever Great Tartary or New Chronology gets woven into religion, the goal is usually to:

1. Claim a hidden “true” origin for a faith.

2. Paint that faith as the original universal religion of the lost mega-empire.

3. Use the conspiracy to support a nationalist or cultural revival.

Here’s how it plays out in different contexts:

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1. Russian Orthodox Fusion

• Fomenko himself flirts with this: in New Chronology, he equates many Biblical events with medieval Russian history.

• For example:

  • Jerusalem in the Bible was actually located in Constantinople or even in Russia.

  • Jesus lived in the 12th century.

  • The apostles were tied to Russian or “Tartarian” rulers.

• The “Mongol Empire” becomes the Orthodox Christian super-empire, uniting Eurasia before its suppression by the Vatican and Western Europe.

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2. Esoteric Christianity & Gnosticism

• Some fringe channels present Tartary as the true Christian civilization — pure, non-papal, energy-based, and spiritually advanced.

• The “mud flood” becomes a deliberate apocalypse to erase true Christianity and replace it with “corrupted” versions.

• Tartarian architecture (cathedrals, star forts) is framed as sacred geometry holding divine energy.

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3. Islamic Adaptations

• In Turkic and Central Asian fringe circles, Tartary is tied to the Golden Horde and described as a Muslim super-empire.

• New Chronology-style redating is used to claim that:

  • Many prophets or Islamic heroes lived in the “Tartarian” timeline.

  • The mud flood was divine punishment for abandoning true Islam.

• Sometimes linked with Mahdist or end-times narratives — Tartary will “rise again” before the final judgment.

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4. Hindu & Vedic Versions

• In New Age / pseudo-historical communities, Tartary is merged with Vedic civilization:

  • Tartary becomes the northern branch of the ancient Vedic world.

  • Its “free energy” tech is identified with Vimanas.

  • Fomenko’s redating is used to “prove” that Hindu epics describe recent historical events.

• This often bleeds into “Aryan homeland” theories, placing it in Siberia or Central Asia.

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5. Syncretic “One World Religion” Claims

• Popular among YouTube Mud Flood theorists: all major religions were one in Tartary.

• They claim symbols like the cross, crescent, swastika, and star were originally Tartarian and only later split into separate religions.

• Architecture from different faiths is rebranded as “repurposed Tartarian temples.”

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6. Occult / Theosophical Spin

• Blavatsky’s Theosophy is sometimes retrofitted to include Tartary:

  • Tartary is framed as one of the lost root races.

  • Mud flood is a cataclysm between “root race” cycles.

• Avalokiteśvara, Christ, and other figures are merged as “avatars of the Tartarian spiritual tradition.”

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In short — yes, religion gets woven in a lot, but always as part of a mythic golden-age narrative where Tartary was the cradle of a pure, ancient faith, later “fragmented” into our modern religions.

If you’d like, I can outline the most common “Tartary was the real Christianity” storyline, which is the one I’ve seen most often in the English-speaking conspiracy sphere. That one gets very creative with Biblical geography and history.

Yes, please do so!

Alright — here’s the “Tartary was the real Christianity” storyline as it circulates in conspiracy subcultures, especially the English-speaking Mud Flood / New Chronology crowd.

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1. The Premise

• There was once a massive Orthodox Christian empire — “Tartary” — stretching from Siberia to Eastern Europe, maybe even into North America.

• This empire had pure, original Christianity, untouched by the Catholic Church, Protestantism, or modern Orthodox hierarchy.

• Jesus and the apostles supposedly lived far later than the conventional dating — often placed in the 12th–14th century.

• Biblical events didn’t happen in ancient Palestine, but in places like Crimea, the Caucasus, or even Moscow.

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2. Architecture as “Proof”

• The huge “Tartarian” cathedrals, monasteries, and star forts found across Russia, Ukraine, and Central Asia are claimed to be:

  • Built before the biblical events (or during them)

  • Powered by free energy harnessed through domes, spires, and crosses

  • “Resonators” for divine or atmospheric energy

• Many “church” buildings are said to have been repurposed from Tartarian energy temples after the empire was destroyed.

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3. The Great Deception

• According to this narrative:

  • The Vatican and Western European monarchies plotted to destroy Tartary.

  • They rewrote history to:

    • Move biblical events thousands of years into the past

    • Relocate them to the Middle East

    • Erase Tartary’s role in “true” Christianity

• The “Mongol invasions” of the 13th century were supposedly Western propaganda masking the Catholic takeover of Eastern Christendom.

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4. The Mud Flood as Apocalypse

• The Mud Flood is interpreted as:

  • A natural disaster sent by God to punish the usurpers

  • Or a man-made cataclysm to bury Tartary’s high technology

• After the flood, Catholic/Protestant powers took control of surviving cities, rebranded them, and installed their own clergy.

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5. Doctrinal Claims

• Tartarian Christianity is imagined as:

  • Simple and direct — no hierarchy, no papacy

  • Focused on free access to divine energy (“Holy Spirit” as literal electrical ether)

  • Unified with natural law and architecture

• Some even claim Tartary preserved apocryphal gospels that revealed Jesus as a teacher of free energy and anti-usury economics.

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6. Modern Implication

• If this is true, they argue:

  • All modern Christian denominations are “corrupted”

  • To restore “true” Christianity, one must revive Tartarian architecture, energy systems, and liturgy

  • The West’s entire historical timeline must be rewritten

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This storyline borrows heavily from Fomenko’s New Chronology, Orthodox revivalism, and classic anti-Catholic conspiracy theories.
In fringe circles, it’s often blended with:

• Flat Earth (Tartary’s tech supposedly proved geocentrism)

• Free energy suppression

• Biblical literalism re-timed to the Middle Ages

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If you like, I can also map how this “Tartary-Christianity” story overlaps with the Russian nationalist reinterpretations of Orthodoxy — that’s where a lot of these ideas started before they spread to the West.

Yes, please.

Alright — here’s how the Tartary-as-True-Christianity idea overlaps with Russian nationalist religious reinterpretations, particularly the kind influenced by the New Chronology and post-Soviet Orthodox revivalism.

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1. Roots in Russian Intellectual History

• Old Believers & pre-Petrine nostalgia
  Since the 17th century, some Russian religious groups (Old Believers, mystical sects) have viewed the West — especially Catholicism — as a corrupter of “true” Orthodoxy.

• Post-Soviet re-enchantment
  After 1991, many Russians rediscovered Orthodoxy but often mixed it with esotericism, Slavic neopaganism, and conspiracy theories about historical falsification.

• Fomenko’s New Chronology
  Provided a “scientific”-sounding foundation to say:

  • Biblical events happened in medieval Rus’.

  • Jerusalem was in Crimea or the Caucasus.

  • “Jesus” might have been a prince or tsar of the Russian realm.

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2. Orthodox + Tartary Fusion

In this blend:

• Tartary = the true Holy Rus’
  An enormous, Orthodox Christian empire united by one faith and moral code, with its capital somewhere in Siberia or near the Volga.

• Biblical geography relocated
  Jerusalem is not in the Levant; Bethlehem, Golgotha, and Mount Zion are all “misplaced” in Western-dominated maps.

• Orthodox liturgy as primal
  The rites of Tartary supposedly match the “original” worship given by Christ and the apostles — before Rome’s corruption.

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3. Anti-Western Religious Narrative

• The Vatican, Jesuits, and Protestant reformers are portrayed as a single anti-Christian force.

• The “Mongol Yoke” becomes a code for Catholic and Muslim incursions into Orthodox lands.

• Peter the Great’s westernization is rebranded as a final betrayal — destroying Tartary’s sacred architecture and free-energy domes.

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4. Esoteric Orthodoxy & Architecture

• Church domes, crosses, and iconostases are claimed to be energy-harvesting devices that amplified divine grace physically.

• Icons are seen as literal “energy portals” — a belief with some roots in Orthodox mystical theology, but here exaggerated into techno-mysticism.

• Pilgrimages to old monasteries are reframed as reconnecting to the energy grid of God.

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5. Overlap With Other Russian Fringe Religions

This Tartary-Orthodoxy mix bleeds into:

• Slavic Rodnovery (native faith revival), with Tartary recast as a pagan-Christian syncretic empire.

• Cosmist theology (à la Nikolai Fedorov), where spiritual progress is linked to advanced tech, and resurrection is a literal future engineering project.

• Neo-Starchild theories — belief that ancient Orthodox saints were advanced beings or “angels” in the flesh.

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6. Why It’s Appealing

• Gives a grand, proud history for Russia and the East.

• Turns Orthodoxy into the center of world Christianity rather than a branch.

• Explains geopolitical rivalries as part of an eternal spiritual war between Tartary/Orthodoxy and the West/Vatican.

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If you want, I can next chart how these Russian-origin Tartary-Christianity ideas migrated into Western Mud Flood & Flat Earth circles and got reinterpreted for a mostly Protestant or New Age audience — which is quite a twist in the story. That’s when it stopped being just about Orthodoxy and became a kind of “universal lost golden age” theory.

Yes, please.

Alright — here’s how Tartary-as-True-Christianity migrated from post-Soviet Russian Orthodox nationalism into Western conspiracy culture and then mutated into something far less Orthodox and much more “New Age / Flat Earth.”

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1. Initial Transmission to the West (2000s–2010s)

• Early English-language Tartary content came from translators of Fomenko and alternative history bloggers.

• Russian YouTube channels about “forbidden architecture” got subtitled or mirrored.

• Architectural photography of onion domes, massive masonry, and abandoned Siberian cities acted as the “gateway drug” — Western viewers loved the aesthetics without the theology.

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2. Detheologization

• In Russian sources, Orthodoxy is central — Tartary was the kingdom of the true Christ, liturgy was pure, saints were literal miracle-workers.

• In Western retellings, religion became optional — churches were reframed as:

  • Free energy plants

  • Sound resonance healing centers

  • Ether-powered communication hubs

• The Orthodox cross, in Russian versions a sign of the “true faith,” became in Western versions a “geometric antenna” or “ancient sacred tech symbol.”

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3. Mixing With Flat Earth & Mud Flood

• Flat Earth tie-in:
  Western Tartary content often absorbed the FE cosmology — claiming that the Tartarians knew the true shape of the world and mapped the outer lands beyond Antarctica.

• Mud Flood tie-in:
  The idea that Tartary’s architecture was buried in a global cataclysm fit perfectly into the existing Mud Flood mythos.

• Time compression:
  New Chronology’s collapse of ancient and medieval timelines got blended with the FE crowd’s claim that “history is only 500–1000 years old.”

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4. Fringe Cross-Pollination

In the English-speaking sphere, Tartary now overlaps with:

• Free energy / Tesla myths — Tartary supposedly mastered etheric power.

• Star forts as “electrical substations.”

• Atlantis revivalism — Tartary rebranded as a Eurasian branch of the Atlantean empire.

• Biblical reinterpretations — Protestant conspiracists sometimes claim Tartary was the true Christian millennial kingdom after Christ’s return, erased by Satanic forces.

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5. Western Religious Rewrites

• Protestant version: Tartary = post-Resurrection kingdom where Christ reigned physically for 1000 years (premillennialism).

• New Age version: Tartary = an advanced civilization of spiritually enlightened beings using “crystal tech” and “ley line energy.”

• Occult version: Tartary’s cathedrals = magical portals between realms, destroyed in a war with interdimensional entities.

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6. Why This Shift Happened

• Most Western audiences have no background in Russian Orthodoxy — so the religious specifics got dropped.

• The architectural mystery and anti-mainstream-history vibe translated well into the existing alt-history YouTube ecosystem.

• Flat Earth channels were already looking for “evidence” of a lost, technologically advanced past — Tartary fit like a puzzle piece.

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If you like, I can map a side-by-side comparison of Russian Orthodox Tartary vs Western Flat Earth / Mud Flood Tartary, so you can see exactly which elements stayed, which were lost, and which were invented along the way. That contrast really shows how the same myth can serve two totally different worldviews.

The Great Crazy

 

So I had to ask ChatGPT about the craziest grand conspiracy theory on-line (this side of David Icke)...

Can you tell me something about the Great Tartary / Mud Flood conspiracy theory?

Yes — the Great Tartary / Mud Flood conspiracy theory is one of those modern internet-born mashups of fringe history, alternative archaeology, and lost-civilization mythology.

Here’s a breakdown:

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1. Core Claims

• Great Tartary — Proponents say there was once a massive, advanced empire called “Tartary” or “Great Tartary” that covered most of Eurasia, from Siberia through Central Asia and into parts of Europe and North America.

• Erased from History — They argue that this empire was deliberately erased from history books in the 18th–19th centuries, supposedly by “the powers that be” (often Britain, Russia, and other empires of the time) to hide knowledge of a superior civilization.

• Mud Flood — The theory claims that in the 18th or 19th century, a worldwide cataclysm (“mud flood”) buried entire cities under several meters of earth, with many older buildings’ lower floors now being underground or half-buried.

• Free Energy Technology — Supposedly, Tartary had advanced technology (especially free energy from “antique” architectural features like domes, spires, and star forts) that was suppressed.

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2. “Evidence” Cited

• Old maps — Historical maps (16th–18th c.) label Central Asia as “Tartary,” which was simply a European geographic term for regions inhabited by Turkic and Mongol peoples — not proof of a unified advanced empire.

• Buried windows/doors — Urban photos showing street-level windows partly underground are said to prove the “mud flood,” when in fact many are due to later street regrading or construction changes.

• Ornate architecture — Large 18th–19th century buildings are claimed to be too advanced for their era, supposedly “inherited” from Tartary rather than built by the known historical cultures.

• World’s Fairs buildings — The grand temporary palaces of 19th-century expositions are cited as Tartarian structures “destroyed after use” to hide the truth.

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3. Origins of the Theory

• It’s a recent internet phenomenon, gaining momentum around 2016–2018 on YouTube, Reddit, and fringe history forums.

• Combines older “hidden history” ideas with:

  • New Chronology theories from Russia (Anatoly Fomenko).

  • 19th-century “catastrophist” geology.

  • Steampunk aesthetics and fascination with lost empires.

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4. Scholarly Position

Historians, archaeologists, and geographers reject the claims:

• “Tartary” was a vague European term, not a secret empire.

• No geological evidence supports a recent worldwide “mud flood.”

• Architectural “mysteries” are explainable by standard engineering and urban development history.

• It functions more as pseudohistory and modern myth-making than actual historiography.

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5. Why People Find It Appealing

• Romanticizes a lost, utopian civilization.

• Distrust of official history and institutions.

• The visual lure of old maps, strange architecture, and atmospheric photographs.

• Feeds into a broader cultural appetite for “hidden truths” and alternative narratives.

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If you want, I can map out how “Great Tartary” evolved from a real geographical term in historical maps into today’s internet conspiracy narrative — the transformation is surprisingly fast and well-documented.

Can you tell me more about the Russian "New Chronology"?

Yes — the Russian “New Chronology” is one of the biggest “alternative history” systems ever constructed, and it’s directly comparable in scope to Great Tartary theories, though it’s even more sweeping.

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1. Origins

• Developed mainly by Anatoly Fomenko (b. 1945), a mathematician at Moscow State University, along with fellow mathematician Gleb Nosovsky.

• Started in the late Soviet period (1970s–80s), but gained traction in Russia after the USSR collapsed, when distrust of Western narratives and Soviet history was very high.

• Fomenko claims to be applying statistical and astronomical analysis to rewrite world history.

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2. Core Claims

1. Most ancient and medieval history is fabricated.

   • The “true” written history of humankind begins around AD 800–1000.

   • Events before that are either invented or are duplicates of later events, misdated and renamed.

2. Biblical and medieval history are the same events.

   • For example, the Trojan War = the Crusades.

   • Biblical Jerusalem was actually Constantinople.

   • Jesus lived in the 12th century and was crucified in Constantinople.

3. The “Mongol Empire” = the Russian Empire.

   • The “Tartars” or “Mongols” were actually Russians (often identified with the Cossacks).

   • The Russian state once ruled a vast Eurasian “super-empire” that has been erased from history.

4. Western Europe stole Russian history.

   • Western historians in the Renaissance (notably Scaliger and Petavius in the 16th–17th centuries) supposedly created the false “ancient” and “classical” past to elevate Rome and diminish Russia’s role.

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3. Methodology

• Fomenko uses:

  • Statistical analysis of texts (word frequencies, narrative structures) to claim many historical documents are copies of each other under different names.

  • Astronomical dating of eclipses in chronicles to “prove” that ancient events actually happened in the Middle Ages.

  • Selective interpretation of maps, architecture, and art.

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4. Political / Cultural Context

• Appeals strongly to Russian nationalist sentiment, since it reframes Russia as the true center of world civilization.

• Dovetails neatly with Great Tartary ideas — in fact, some Tartary believers treat Fomenko’s “Russian Empire = Mongol Empire” as a scholarly backbone for their theory.

• In Russia, it’s sold in large multi-volume sets and even covered in mainstream talk shows.

• Outside Russia, it’s fringe, though it has small followings among “hidden history” enthusiasts.

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5. Criticism

• Historians, archaeologists, linguists, and astronomers universally reject it.

• Misuses statistical methods and cherry-picks data.

• Ignores or dismisses physical evidence (stratigraphy, radiocarbon dating, dendrochronology).

• Known to conflate artistic symbolism with literal record (e.g., taking medieval illustrations as photographs of real events).

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6. Overlaps with Other Fringe Theories

• With Great Tartary: Both posit a huge erased Eurasian empire and claim historical erasure by Western powers.

• With Ancient Tech claims: Fomenko’s Russia often has “advanced” infrastructure in the Middle Ages.

• With Flat Earth: Small overlap — mostly in the mutual distrust of astronomy as practiced today, but Fomenko himself doesn’t push flat earth.

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If you like, I can outline exactly how Fomenko’s “New Chronology” and Great Tartary merge into one mega-theory in some online communities — it’s quite a tangle. Would you like me to do that next?

Yes, please!

Alright — here’s how Fomenko’s “New Chronology” and the Great Tartary / Mud Flood narrative often fuse together into one giant “hidden history” storyline in certain online circles.

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1. Shared Premise

Both theories start from the same foundational suspicion:

“Official history is a deliberate fabrication by Western elites to hide a glorious, advanced past.”

• Fomenko: says the “Mongol Empire” was actually the medieval Russian Empire, a highly advanced Eurasian power.

• Great Tartary: says a vast civilization (“Tartary”) once covered most of Eurasia, technologically superior, and was erased in the 18th–19th centuries.

Because they both involve a lost mega-empire in Eurasia and suppression of its legacy, they are easy to merge.

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2. Merging of Empires

In the blended theory:

• “Tartary” = Fomenko’s Russian/Mongol superstate.

• This state ruled from the Pacific to Eastern Europe, often extending into North America (via “Old World” colonies).

• Capital cities are placed in Tobolsk, Moscow, or even Samarkand, depending on the variant.

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3. Mud Flood as the “Reset”

Here’s where Mud Flood ideas come in:

• Fomenko explains the “erasure” of this empire as a textual fraud by Western historians.

• Mud Flood believers replace or augment that explanation with a global cataclysm in the early–mid 1800s.

• This “mud flood” supposedly buried cities, destroyed Tartary’s tech, and allowed Britain, Rome, and the Vatican to rewrite the past.

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4. Reframing of Events

The fusion theory tends to reinterpret major historical moments:

• Napoleonic Wars: really a last-ditch fight between Tartary (Russia) and the Western alliance.

• Crimean War (1853–56): framed as the final destruction of Tartary, not a regional war.

• Industrial Revolution: not invention, but re-discovery of Tartarian tech after the mud flood.

• Colonial Empires: “cover story” for reclaiming lost Tartary territories.

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5. “Advanced Tech” Angle

Both theories feed into claims of:

• Star forts as “power stations.”

• Railroads, giant cannons, and massive masonry being Tartarian tech.

• Atmospheric energy systems (think “free energy towers”).

• Architecture in European cities and the US as proof of a global Tartarian aesthetic.

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6. Why They Fit So Well Together

• Mutual distrust of archaeology, carbon dating, and conventional timelines.

• Romantic nationalism: paints Eurasia (often specifically Russia) as a betrayed civilizational heart.

• Open-ended mythos: Great Tartary is so loosely defined that Fomenko’s dates and places can be plugged in without much conflict.

• The geographical overlap is near-perfect — both place their mega-empire across Siberia, Central Asia, and Eastern Europe.

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7. Differences That Cause Friction

• Fomenko puts the “fall” of the empire mostly around 1600–1700, whereas Mud Flood believers prefer a 19th-century reset.

• Fomenko’s work is text-heavy and “scholarly-looking”; Mud Flood theory relies more on photographic anomalies and architecture.

• Fomenko’s followers don’t always accept the more extreme tech claims (e.g., free energy domes), though some do.

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If you like, I can map out a timeline of “world history” according to this merged Tartary–New Chronology–Mud Flood narrative, so you can see exactly how they reshape events from 1000 AD to the 1900s. That’s where it gets really… creative.