Showing posts with label Joe Rogan. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Joe Rogan. Show all posts

Friday, June 27, 2025

Feralization

 


If you know, you know. Muh-hah-hah-hah! 

How long does it take for a domesticated species of plant to turn wild again? Does this have any bearing on the question of when agriculture began?

Excellent and deep question — let’s tackle it in two parts:


🌱 1. How long does it take for a domesticated plant species to “turn wild” again?

This process is called feralization — when a domesticated species reverts to a wild or semi-wild state after escaping cultivation or human management.

⏳ How fast can it happen?

  • In some cases, feralization can begin within a few generations (e.g., 5–50 years), especially in annual plants that reproduce quickly.

  • Traits that are lost or reduced during domestication — like seed shattering, seed dormancy, or thorn production — can re-evolve under natural selection if beneficial in the wild.

  • Full reversion to a wild-type genome is rare, but feral plants often show:

    • Increased seed dispersal

    • Decreased yield

    • Resumption of natural defenses (e.g., toxins or spines)

📌 Example: Weedy rice (Oryza sativa f. spontanea), which evolved from domesticated rice and re-developed wild traits in only a few centuries (possibly faster in some regions).


📜 2. Does this affect how we date the beginning of agriculture?

Yes — feralization complicates the archaeological record of agriculture in important ways:

🧭 Here's how:

  • Early farming was likely intermittent, small-scale, and low-intensity.

  • If agriculture was abandoned for even a few decades or centuries, domesticated crops could go feral and vanish from the landscape and archaeological visibility.

  • This means that early domestication events could have occurred thousands of years before the earliest definitive archaeological evidence.

🔄 Agriculture as a long process:

  • Modern archaeology sees domestication as a gradual, multi-generational process, not a single moment.

  • Some species show pre-domestication cultivation — early humans planted them before the genetic signs of full domestication appear.

  • If early farming societies collapsed or moved, their plants may have reverted — making it seem like agriculture started “later” than it actually did.

🧬 Genetic evidence shows that domestication traits (like non-shattering ears in wheat or barley) accumulated slowly, and can be lost under feral conditions.


🧾 Summary

✅ Domesticated plants can revert toward wild forms surprisingly quickly (within decades to centuries), depending on the species and environment.

🧠 This means that early, failed, or abandoned attempts at agriculture may have left no clear trace in the archaeological record.

📆 As a result, the true origins of agriculture may be older and more complex than previously thought, with cycles of cultivation, abandonment, and re-domestication.


Would you like examples of specific plants (like wheat, barley, or maize) and how quickly they can feralize or re-domesticate?

Yes, all three. Also rice!

Great — let’s explore how wheat, barley, maize, and rice behave when feralized (i.e., revert from domestication) or re-domesticated, and what that tells us about the timing and complexity of agriculture’s origins.


🌾 1. Wheat (Triticum spp.)

🧬 Domesticated Traits:

  • Non-shattering spikelets (seeds stay on the stalk, making harvesting easier)

  • Larger grains

  • Softer seed coats

🔄 Feralization/Reversion:

  • Under wild conditions, non-shattering becomes a disadvantage (seeds don’t disperse).

  • Studies show that feral wheat lines can evolve partial shattering again within ~20–50 generations (500–1,000 years).

  • However, wheat is less weedy and does not easily naturalize without human help.

🧠 Implication:

Wheat domestication was slow, taking 1,000–2,000+ years, and could reverse partially if early agriculture was abandoned.


🌾 2. Barley (Hordeum vulgare)

🧬 Domesticated Traits:

  • Like wheat: non-shattering spikes, larger grains

  • Shorter dormancy, more uniform germination

🔄 Feralization:

  • Weedy barley populations (H. vulgare f. spontaneum) are common near fields.

  • Barley can hybridize with wild relatives, rapidly reintroducing wild traits like:

    • Seed dormancy

    • Rough awns (barbs)

    • Shattering

📌 Some barley reverts to near-wild form within <500 years when left uncultivated.

🧠 Implication:

Barley is more plastic than wheat, showing frequent gene flow with wild forms. This makes archaeological dating of “fully domesticated” barley complicated.


🌽 3. Maize (Zea mays)

🧬 Domesticated Traits:

  • Derived from teosinte (wild grass from Mexico)

  • Maize has:

    • Larger cobs

    • Multiple rows of kernels

    • Non-shattering seeds (fully dependent on humans to spread)

🔄 Feralization:

  • Maize is highly domesticated and does not easily revert.

  • However, teosinte-maize hybrids can arise spontaneously if maize is grown near wild relatives.

  • Some “wild maize” types in Mexico are likely re-wilded hybrids, but they don’t fully return to teosinte.

🧠 Implication:

Maize is an outlier — it’s so altered that it can’t survive as-is in the wild. But gene flow with teosinte can blur the archaeological record.


🌾 4. Rice (Oryza sativa)

🧬 Domesticated Traits:

  • Shorter seed dormancy

  • Non-shattering grains

  • Compact panicles (grain heads)

  • Reduced awns

🔄 Feralization:

  • Rice rapidly feralizes — a major modern problem known as weedy rice or red rice.

  • This happens through:

    • Escape from fields

    • Hybridization with wild rice (O. rufipogon)

  • Traits like seed shattering, dormancy, and red pericarps reappear in <10 generations.

📌 Weedy rice is genetically part-domesticated but behaves wild — showing how quickly selection pressure can undo human cultivation traits.

🧠 Implication:

Rice demonstrates how fast domesticated traits can be lost in just decades. This has serious implications for interpreting early rice domestication in East and Southeast Asia.


🧾 Overall Takeaways

PlantSpeed of FeralizationKey Points
WheatSlow–moderate (centuries)Stable once fully domesticated; partial reversions
BarleyFast–moderate (decades–centuries)Hybridizes easily; common weedy forms
MaizeRare, via hybridization onlyCannot survive without human aid, but gene flow with teosinte confuses the picture
RiceFast (within decades)Weedy forms arise quickly; feral rice is a major modern issue

🌱 Final Thought

These examples show that:

  • Domestication is reversible, especially in early stages.

  • Many early agricultural episodes could disappear from the archaeological record within centuries, due to feralization.

  • Therefore, true beginnings of agriculture may predate the first archaeobotanical evidence by millennia.

Would you like a diagram or timeline showing how these crops evolved across time and geography? 

Sunday, May 25, 2025

Drama

 


Derek Lambert and Richard Price on Joe Rogan Show, when? Reconciliation between Derek and Wes Huff, when? If you know, you know! 

Friday, May 16, 2025

Joe Rogan ex nihilo

 


There could be some context missing here, but...yeah, I suppose you could say that the resurrection of Christ is easier to believe than the Big Bang! 

The resurrection contradicts the laws of *nature* but not the laws of *logic*. Modern science frequently contradicts both. So either the universe is insane or...there´s something wrong with certain scientific theories. Or the minds of certain scientists. 

"I am sticking with Jesus" 

Monday, March 17, 2025

Death and lying

 


Emerson Green on the Christian apologetic claim "Nobody dies for a lie". Here promoted by none other than Mel Gibson! Unfortunately, people die for lies all of the time. Including self-conscious ones. Personally, I don´t think the apostles died for something they knew was a lie, but the claim that *nobody* would do this is gullible in the extreme. The opposite is also the case: true believers in other religions may chose to die for *their* beliefs based on allegedly supernatural events. Say a Hindu who believes that one of his gods (or his deceased guru!) have actually appeared to him... 

Saturday, February 1, 2025

A voice crying in the wilderness

 


Joe Rogan talks to outdoorsman Steven Rinella who cracks a tale (or tall tale) about a crazy Canadian hippie in Alaska who claimed to be the Biblical character John the Baptist?! The hippie turned out to be a parasite and petty thief, but ultimately met his doom in a small cabin during the unforbidding Arctic winter. Apparently, he lacked the proper Essene survival skills. Anyhow...

Rinella´s friend evidently gave the hippie a classical "sky burial". He just threw his corpse outside and the next day it was gone, presumably consumed by some hungry denizen of the Alaskan hinterland.

I admit that this story didn´t move me as much as I expected, but perhaps I´ve been hardened by too much consumption of Tantric material from the happy generations of Tibet...

Sunday, January 12, 2025

Predicament

 


A disturbing perspective on the LA fires. Maybe we can´t do anything at all to stop them? From Joe Rogan Show. 

Sunday, October 27, 2024

Too big to rig

 


There was a peculiar rumor back in 2016 that Hillary Clinton had a body double. Vox Day goes even further. After having claimed that there are six Bidens, he now says there is a fake Trump, as well! Or is Vox just trolling us?

I don´t rule anything out during crazy year 2024, but...naaah. Highly unlikely for a variety of reasons. One of them being Trump´s ego (the real Trump). Another being that both campaigns leak like sieves, so how likely is it that a doppelgänger could be kept secret for long?

On the other hand, I suppose a double could come in handy during the next assassination attempt...   

Fake Trump on Rogan

Friday, October 11, 2024

The trouble with Dibble

 


Some months ago, writer and explorer Graham Hancock debated an archeologist with the peculiar moniker "Flint Dibble" at Joe Rogan Show. Dibble declared victory and the debate have been given almost mythological proportions by Skeptics (compare Huxley-Wilberforce). 

Above is Graham Hancock´s response to Dibble´s points about ship wrecks, Stone Age ship farers, the supposed lack of evidence for metallurgy in Greenland ice cores, the legends of the conquista, and "White supremacy".

I admit I´m more skeptical to Hancock´s speculations than I was around, say, 2018. But he does defend his case ably here. So maybe the Skeptics (TM) spoke to soon, after all...  

Saturday, June 29, 2024

A magnificent failure?

 


The latest Atlantis drama. Mainline archeologist Flint Dibble (that *can´t* be his real name!) recently declared total victory over pro-Atlantis writer and documentary film maker Graham Hancock after a debate between the two on Joe Rogan Show. 

The YouTube clip above is from the channel "DeDunking", which is more on the Hancock side. It´s almost an hour long, but could be worth watching if alternative history is your thing. 

Monday, June 24, 2024

Polysemic conspiracy

 


It seems everyone is talking about Terrence Howard! Sicilian wonderboy Metatron believes that Howard´s problem isn´t really with mathematics, per se, but with a weird inability to grasp language. Also, his "Terryology" is a monist philosophy and a conspiracy theory. 

While I disagree with the Metatron on his blanket denial of conspiracy theories, he probably does have a point that Howard has a "Truther mindset" (my term), this being the deeper drive behind the actor´s new theory of everything...  

Monday, May 27, 2024

1 x 1 = 2

 


"Professor" Dave takes on the weird ramblings of actor Terrence Howard (who claims that 1 x 1 = 2). Entertaining, after a fashion. Especially since Dave (the skeptic) doesn´t come across as particularly smart or balanced either.

Note the bizarre purge mentality at the end: Professor Dave claims that Howard is mentally ill, but then goes on to recommend that he´d be systematically bullied?! Dave is a "science educator" with a mostly high school audience...

Dude.

 

Saturday, February 4, 2023

Jordan Peterson ON FIRE

 



Jordan Peterson makes many good points here. On Joe Rogan Show, of course. Maybe Peterson can still save the world somehow! 

Wednesday, July 6, 2022

Alien asset

 


I have long suspected that there is a connection between belief in the existence of alien civilizations in other star systems or galaxies, and the Modern Western Idea of Progress. The discovery of an alien race capable of traversing the bizarrely long distances between stars would be the best confirmation that Eternal Progress is indeed possible. 

I just found the above clip on YouTube. Joe Rogan interviews Michio Kaku, a scientist and popular science writer. Kaku is clearly a techno-optimist, believer in AI, and even a borderline transhumanist. On the Rogan show, he uses the declassified military footage of supposed UFOs as "the gold standard" of proof for the existence of aliens. Indeed, he argues at some length that the UFOs are genuine and probably extraterrestrial...

Kaku is now my gold standard for the above mentioned connection.

Kaku´s wild speculations about "type 3 civilizations" and whatever have been disproven long ago by Fermi´s paradox. Or at the very least rendered highly improbable. Indeed, there *is* no paradox here, unless you assume that aliens simply must be out there, frolicking among the firebirds of Orion. Here is a simpler solution: the aliens don´t exist, or (probably more likely) are smart enough not to launch doomed-to-fail expeditions to other planets. Maybe they prefer creative podcasting?

Kaku does hint at another possibility: that the "UFOs" are really Russian or Chinese "hypersonic drones". While he discards this, I would consider misidentified enemy drones *or our own little trinkets* to be a more likely explanation than denizens of a type 666 civilization monitoring our military aircraft for no good reason. Nor would I be surprised if Kaku is eventually outed as an "asset" of the military-intelligence community. 

So I might be a bit hard on him here, LOL.   


Wednesday, February 2, 2022

Free speech, how does it work again?

Jen Psaki, censor-in-chief

For years, US leftoids told us that private companies can do whatever they like (sic), since the First Amendment only protects you from the government.

Now, the US government is strongly implying that Spotify should censor Joe Rogan. 

So presumably all leftoids are rioting in the streets against this violation of Rogan´s First Amendment rights. 

Nah, of course they´re not. After all, Spotify is a private business, so nothing can stop them from voluntarily doing what the government tells them. Right?

White House wants to censor Joe Rogan

Monday, January 31, 2022

Rick rolled

 


If Spotify doesn´t remove Joe Rogan´s podcast, I´m going to release a duet between Greta Thunberg and Rick Astley onto the platform!!! 

You can´t stop me you can´t, I got Trudeau, the entire European Union and Blackwater behind me, so be ´fraid, Mr Spotify, be very ´fraid!

Wednesday, January 19, 2022

Grashopper farm

 


Left-wing gadfly extraordinaire Jimmy Dore is on fire her, attacking the "scientists" who demand that Joe Rogan be suppressed. Apparently, Rogan´s podcast has 11 million viewers, while CNN doesn´t even have one million. Yes, you read that right! 

Dore also points out that many of the "medical doctors" who signed the bizarre petition to censor Roger aren´t really doctors at all. One of the people behind the "open letter" actually works for CNN! 

A pattern is emerging...

Don´t get me wrong, but this scandal does have a certain popcorn quality.