Religion in the making

 

More on Great Tartary c/o ChatGPT. The rabbit hole goes deeper and deeper. I wouldn´t be surprised if these fringe ideas would become the new world religion in the event of a *real* apocalypse...or a Russian global empire (same thing).  

Have their been any attempts to combine Great Tartary or the New Chronology with religion?

Yes — quite a few, and they tend to follow predictable patterns.
Whenever Great Tartary or New Chronology gets woven into religion, the goal is usually to:

1. Claim a hidden “true” origin for a faith.

2. Paint that faith as the original universal religion of the lost mega-empire.

3. Use the conspiracy to support a nationalist or cultural revival.

Here’s how it plays out in different contexts:

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1. Russian Orthodox Fusion

• Fomenko himself flirts with this: in New Chronology, he equates many Biblical events with medieval Russian history.

• For example:

  • Jerusalem in the Bible was actually located in Constantinople or even in Russia.

  • Jesus lived in the 12th century.

  • The apostles were tied to Russian or “Tartarian” rulers.

• The “Mongol Empire” becomes the Orthodox Christian super-empire, uniting Eurasia before its suppression by the Vatican and Western Europe.

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2. Esoteric Christianity & Gnosticism

• Some fringe channels present Tartary as the true Christian civilization — pure, non-papal, energy-based, and spiritually advanced.

• The “mud flood” becomes a deliberate apocalypse to erase true Christianity and replace it with “corrupted” versions.

• Tartarian architecture (cathedrals, star forts) is framed as sacred geometry holding divine energy.

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3. Islamic Adaptations

• In Turkic and Central Asian fringe circles, Tartary is tied to the Golden Horde and described as a Muslim super-empire.

• New Chronology-style redating is used to claim that:

  • Many prophets or Islamic heroes lived in the “Tartarian” timeline.

  • The mud flood was divine punishment for abandoning true Islam.

• Sometimes linked with Mahdist or end-times narratives — Tartary will “rise again” before the final judgment.

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4. Hindu & Vedic Versions

• In New Age / pseudo-historical communities, Tartary is merged with Vedic civilization:

  • Tartary becomes the northern branch of the ancient Vedic world.

  • Its “free energy” tech is identified with Vimanas.

  • Fomenko’s redating is used to “prove” that Hindu epics describe recent historical events.

• This often bleeds into “Aryan homeland” theories, placing it in Siberia or Central Asia.

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5. Syncretic “One World Religion” Claims

• Popular among YouTube Mud Flood theorists: all major religions were one in Tartary.

• They claim symbols like the cross, crescent, swastika, and star were originally Tartarian and only later split into separate religions.

• Architecture from different faiths is rebranded as “repurposed Tartarian temples.”

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6. Occult / Theosophical Spin

• Blavatsky’s Theosophy is sometimes retrofitted to include Tartary:

  • Tartary is framed as one of the lost root races.

  • Mud flood is a cataclysm between “root race” cycles.

• Avalokiteśvara, Christ, and other figures are merged as “avatars of the Tartarian spiritual tradition.”

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In short — yes, religion gets woven in a lot, but always as part of a mythic golden-age narrative where Tartary was the cradle of a pure, ancient faith, later “fragmented” into our modern religions.

If you’d like, I can outline the most common “Tartary was the real Christianity” storyline, which is the one I’ve seen most often in the English-speaking conspiracy sphere. That one gets very creative with Biblical geography and history.

Yes, please do so!

Alright — here’s the “Tartary was the real Christianity” storyline as it circulates in conspiracy subcultures, especially the English-speaking Mud Flood / New Chronology crowd.

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1. The Premise

• There was once a massive Orthodox Christian empire — “Tartary” — stretching from Siberia to Eastern Europe, maybe even into North America.

• This empire had pure, original Christianity, untouched by the Catholic Church, Protestantism, or modern Orthodox hierarchy.

• Jesus and the apostles supposedly lived far later than the conventional dating — often placed in the 12th–14th century.

• Biblical events didn’t happen in ancient Palestine, but in places like Crimea, the Caucasus, or even Moscow.

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2. Architecture as “Proof”

• The huge “Tartarian” cathedrals, monasteries, and star forts found across Russia, Ukraine, and Central Asia are claimed to be:

  • Built before the biblical events (or during them)

  • Powered by free energy harnessed through domes, spires, and crosses

  • “Resonators” for divine or atmospheric energy

• Many “church” buildings are said to have been repurposed from Tartarian energy temples after the empire was destroyed.

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3. The Great Deception

• According to this narrative:

  • The Vatican and Western European monarchies plotted to destroy Tartary.

  • They rewrote history to:

    • Move biblical events thousands of years into the past

    • Relocate them to the Middle East

    • Erase Tartary’s role in “true” Christianity

• The “Mongol invasions” of the 13th century were supposedly Western propaganda masking the Catholic takeover of Eastern Christendom.

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4. The Mud Flood as Apocalypse

• The Mud Flood is interpreted as:

  • A natural disaster sent by God to punish the usurpers

  • Or a man-made cataclysm to bury Tartary’s high technology

• After the flood, Catholic/Protestant powers took control of surviving cities, rebranded them, and installed their own clergy.

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5. Doctrinal Claims

• Tartarian Christianity is imagined as:

  • Simple and direct — no hierarchy, no papacy

  • Focused on free access to divine energy (“Holy Spirit” as literal electrical ether)

  • Unified with natural law and architecture

• Some even claim Tartary preserved apocryphal gospels that revealed Jesus as a teacher of free energy and anti-usury economics.

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6. Modern Implication

• If this is true, they argue:

  • All modern Christian denominations are “corrupted”

  • To restore “true” Christianity, one must revive Tartarian architecture, energy systems, and liturgy

  • The West’s entire historical timeline must be rewritten

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This storyline borrows heavily from Fomenko’s New Chronology, Orthodox revivalism, and classic anti-Catholic conspiracy theories.
In fringe circles, it’s often blended with:

• Flat Earth (Tartary’s tech supposedly proved geocentrism)

• Free energy suppression

• Biblical literalism re-timed to the Middle Ages

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If you like, I can also map how this “Tartary-Christianity” story overlaps with the Russian nationalist reinterpretations of Orthodoxy — that’s where a lot of these ideas started before they spread to the West.

Yes, please.

Alright — here’s how the Tartary-as-True-Christianity idea overlaps with Russian nationalist religious reinterpretations, particularly the kind influenced by the New Chronology and post-Soviet Orthodox revivalism.

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1. Roots in Russian Intellectual History

• Old Believers & pre-Petrine nostalgia
  Since the 17th century, some Russian religious groups (Old Believers, mystical sects) have viewed the West — especially Catholicism — as a corrupter of “true” Orthodoxy.

• Post-Soviet re-enchantment
  After 1991, many Russians rediscovered Orthodoxy but often mixed it with esotericism, Slavic neopaganism, and conspiracy theories about historical falsification.

• Fomenko’s New Chronology
  Provided a “scientific”-sounding foundation to say:

  • Biblical events happened in medieval Rus’.

  • Jerusalem was in Crimea or the Caucasus.

  • “Jesus” might have been a prince or tsar of the Russian realm.

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2. Orthodox + Tartary Fusion

In this blend:

• Tartary = the true Holy Rus’
  An enormous, Orthodox Christian empire united by one faith and moral code, with its capital somewhere in Siberia or near the Volga.

• Biblical geography relocated
  Jerusalem is not in the Levant; Bethlehem, Golgotha, and Mount Zion are all “misplaced” in Western-dominated maps.

• Orthodox liturgy as primal
  The rites of Tartary supposedly match the “original” worship given by Christ and the apostles — before Rome’s corruption.

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3. Anti-Western Religious Narrative

• The Vatican, Jesuits, and Protestant reformers are portrayed as a single anti-Christian force.

• The “Mongol Yoke” becomes a code for Catholic and Muslim incursions into Orthodox lands.

• Peter the Great’s westernization is rebranded as a final betrayal — destroying Tartary’s sacred architecture and free-energy domes.

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4. Esoteric Orthodoxy & Architecture

• Church domes, crosses, and iconostases are claimed to be energy-harvesting devices that amplified divine grace physically.

• Icons are seen as literal “energy portals” — a belief with some roots in Orthodox mystical theology, but here exaggerated into techno-mysticism.

• Pilgrimages to old monasteries are reframed as reconnecting to the energy grid of God.

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5. Overlap With Other Russian Fringe Religions

This Tartary-Orthodoxy mix bleeds into:

• Slavic Rodnovery (native faith revival), with Tartary recast as a pagan-Christian syncretic empire.

• Cosmist theology (à la Nikolai Fedorov), where spiritual progress is linked to advanced tech, and resurrection is a literal future engineering project.

• Neo-Starchild theories — belief that ancient Orthodox saints were advanced beings or “angels” in the flesh.

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6. Why It’s Appealing

• Gives a grand, proud history for Russia and the East.

• Turns Orthodoxy into the center of world Christianity rather than a branch.

• Explains geopolitical rivalries as part of an eternal spiritual war between Tartary/Orthodoxy and the West/Vatican.

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If you want, I can next chart how these Russian-origin Tartary-Christianity ideas migrated into Western Mud Flood & Flat Earth circles and got reinterpreted for a mostly Protestant or New Age audience — which is quite a twist in the story. That’s when it stopped being just about Orthodoxy and became a kind of “universal lost golden age” theory.

Yes, please.

Alright — here’s how Tartary-as-True-Christianity migrated from post-Soviet Russian Orthodox nationalism into Western conspiracy culture and then mutated into something far less Orthodox and much more “New Age / Flat Earth.”

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1. Initial Transmission to the West (2000s–2010s)

• Early English-language Tartary content came from translators of Fomenko and alternative history bloggers.

• Russian YouTube channels about “forbidden architecture” got subtitled or mirrored.

• Architectural photography of onion domes, massive masonry, and abandoned Siberian cities acted as the “gateway drug” — Western viewers loved the aesthetics without the theology.

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2. Detheologization

• In Russian sources, Orthodoxy is central — Tartary was the kingdom of the true Christ, liturgy was pure, saints were literal miracle-workers.

• In Western retellings, religion became optional — churches were reframed as:

  • Free energy plants

  • Sound resonance healing centers

  • Ether-powered communication hubs

• The Orthodox cross, in Russian versions a sign of the “true faith,” became in Western versions a “geometric antenna” or “ancient sacred tech symbol.”

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3. Mixing With Flat Earth & Mud Flood

• Flat Earth tie-in:
  Western Tartary content often absorbed the FE cosmology — claiming that the Tartarians knew the true shape of the world and mapped the outer lands beyond Antarctica.

• Mud Flood tie-in:
  The idea that Tartary’s architecture was buried in a global cataclysm fit perfectly into the existing Mud Flood mythos.

• Time compression:
  New Chronology’s collapse of ancient and medieval timelines got blended with the FE crowd’s claim that “history is only 500–1000 years old.”

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4. Fringe Cross-Pollination

In the English-speaking sphere, Tartary now overlaps with:

• Free energy / Tesla myths — Tartary supposedly mastered etheric power.

• Star forts as “electrical substations.”

• Atlantis revivalism — Tartary rebranded as a Eurasian branch of the Atlantean empire.

• Biblical reinterpretations — Protestant conspiracists sometimes claim Tartary was the true Christian millennial kingdom after Christ’s return, erased by Satanic forces.

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5. Western Religious Rewrites

• Protestant version: Tartary = post-Resurrection kingdom where Christ reigned physically for 1000 years (premillennialism).

• New Age version: Tartary = an advanced civilization of spiritually enlightened beings using “crystal tech” and “ley line energy.”

• Occult version: Tartary’s cathedrals = magical portals between realms, destroyed in a war with interdimensional entities.

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6. Why This Shift Happened

• Most Western audiences have no background in Russian Orthodoxy — so the religious specifics got dropped.

• The architectural mystery and anti-mainstream-history vibe translated well into the existing alt-history YouTube ecosystem.

• Flat Earth channels were already looking for “evidence” of a lost, technologically advanced past — Tartary fit like a puzzle piece.

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If you like, I can map a side-by-side comparison of Russian Orthodox Tartary vs Western Flat Earth / Mud Flood Tartary, so you can see exactly which elements stayed, which were lost, and which were invented along the way. That contrast really shows how the same myth can serve two totally different worldviews.

The Great Crazy

 

So I had to ask ChatGPT about the craziest grand conspiracy theory on-line (this side of David Icke)...

Can you tell me something about the Great Tartary / Mud Flood conspiracy theory?

Yes — the Great Tartary / Mud Flood conspiracy theory is one of those modern internet-born mashups of fringe history, alternative archaeology, and lost-civilization mythology.

Here’s a breakdown:

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1. Core Claims

• Great Tartary — Proponents say there was once a massive, advanced empire called “Tartary” or “Great Tartary” that covered most of Eurasia, from Siberia through Central Asia and into parts of Europe and North America.

• Erased from History — They argue that this empire was deliberately erased from history books in the 18th–19th centuries, supposedly by “the powers that be” (often Britain, Russia, and other empires of the time) to hide knowledge of a superior civilization.

• Mud Flood — The theory claims that in the 18th or 19th century, a worldwide cataclysm (“mud flood”) buried entire cities under several meters of earth, with many older buildings’ lower floors now being underground or half-buried.

• Free Energy Technology — Supposedly, Tartary had advanced technology (especially free energy from “antique” architectural features like domes, spires, and star forts) that was suppressed.

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2. “Evidence” Cited

• Old maps — Historical maps (16th–18th c.) label Central Asia as “Tartary,” which was simply a European geographic term for regions inhabited by Turkic and Mongol peoples — not proof of a unified advanced empire.

• Buried windows/doors — Urban photos showing street-level windows partly underground are said to prove the “mud flood,” when in fact many are due to later street regrading or construction changes.

• Ornate architecture — Large 18th–19th century buildings are claimed to be too advanced for their era, supposedly “inherited” from Tartary rather than built by the known historical cultures.

• World’s Fairs buildings — The grand temporary palaces of 19th-century expositions are cited as Tartarian structures “destroyed after use” to hide the truth.

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3. Origins of the Theory

• It’s a recent internet phenomenon, gaining momentum around 2016–2018 on YouTube, Reddit, and fringe history forums.

• Combines older “hidden history” ideas with:

  • New Chronology theories from Russia (Anatoly Fomenko).

  • 19th-century “catastrophist” geology.

  • Steampunk aesthetics and fascination with lost empires.

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4. Scholarly Position

Historians, archaeologists, and geographers reject the claims:

• “Tartary” was a vague European term, not a secret empire.

• No geological evidence supports a recent worldwide “mud flood.”

• Architectural “mysteries” are explainable by standard engineering and urban development history.

• It functions more as pseudohistory and modern myth-making than actual historiography.

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5. Why People Find It Appealing

• Romanticizes a lost, utopian civilization.

• Distrust of official history and institutions.

• The visual lure of old maps, strange architecture, and atmospheric photographs.

• Feeds into a broader cultural appetite for “hidden truths” and alternative narratives.

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If you want, I can map out how “Great Tartary” evolved from a real geographical term in historical maps into today’s internet conspiracy narrative — the transformation is surprisingly fast and well-documented.

Can you tell me more about the Russian "New Chronology"?

Yes — the Russian “New Chronology” is one of the biggest “alternative history” systems ever constructed, and it’s directly comparable in scope to Great Tartary theories, though it’s even more sweeping.

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1. Origins

• Developed mainly by Anatoly Fomenko (b. 1945), a mathematician at Moscow State University, along with fellow mathematician Gleb Nosovsky.

• Started in the late Soviet period (1970s–80s), but gained traction in Russia after the USSR collapsed, when distrust of Western narratives and Soviet history was very high.

• Fomenko claims to be applying statistical and astronomical analysis to rewrite world history.

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2. Core Claims

1. Most ancient and medieval history is fabricated.

   • The “true” written history of humankind begins around AD 800–1000.

   • Events before that are either invented or are duplicates of later events, misdated and renamed.

2. Biblical and medieval history are the same events.

   • For example, the Trojan War = the Crusades.

   • Biblical Jerusalem was actually Constantinople.

   • Jesus lived in the 12th century and was crucified in Constantinople.

3. The “Mongol Empire” = the Russian Empire.

   • The “Tartars” or “Mongols” were actually Russians (often identified with the Cossacks).

   • The Russian state once ruled a vast Eurasian “super-empire” that has been erased from history.

4. Western Europe stole Russian history.

   • Western historians in the Renaissance (notably Scaliger and Petavius in the 16th–17th centuries) supposedly created the false “ancient” and “classical” past to elevate Rome and diminish Russia’s role.

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3. Methodology

• Fomenko uses:

  • Statistical analysis of texts (word frequencies, narrative structures) to claim many historical documents are copies of each other under different names.

  • Astronomical dating of eclipses in chronicles to “prove” that ancient events actually happened in the Middle Ages.

  • Selective interpretation of maps, architecture, and art.

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4. Political / Cultural Context

• Appeals strongly to Russian nationalist sentiment, since it reframes Russia as the true center of world civilization.

• Dovetails neatly with Great Tartary ideas — in fact, some Tartary believers treat Fomenko’s “Russian Empire = Mongol Empire” as a scholarly backbone for their theory.

• In Russia, it’s sold in large multi-volume sets and even covered in mainstream talk shows.

• Outside Russia, it’s fringe, though it has small followings among “hidden history” enthusiasts.

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5. Criticism

• Historians, archaeologists, linguists, and astronomers universally reject it.

• Misuses statistical methods and cherry-picks data.

• Ignores or dismisses physical evidence (stratigraphy, radiocarbon dating, dendrochronology).

• Known to conflate artistic symbolism with literal record (e.g., taking medieval illustrations as photographs of real events).

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6. Overlaps with Other Fringe Theories

• With Great Tartary: Both posit a huge erased Eurasian empire and claim historical erasure by Western powers.

• With Ancient Tech claims: Fomenko’s Russia often has “advanced” infrastructure in the Middle Ages.

• With Flat Earth: Small overlap — mostly in the mutual distrust of astronomy as practiced today, but Fomenko himself doesn’t push flat earth.

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If you like, I can outline exactly how Fomenko’s “New Chronology” and Great Tartary merge into one mega-theory in some online communities — it’s quite a tangle. Would you like me to do that next?

Yes, please!

Alright — here’s how Fomenko’s “New Chronology” and the Great Tartary / Mud Flood narrative often fuse together into one giant “hidden history” storyline in certain online circles.

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1. Shared Premise

Both theories start from the same foundational suspicion:

“Official history is a deliberate fabrication by Western elites to hide a glorious, advanced past.”

• Fomenko: says the “Mongol Empire” was actually the medieval Russian Empire, a highly advanced Eurasian power.

• Great Tartary: says a vast civilization (“Tartary”) once covered most of Eurasia, technologically superior, and was erased in the 18th–19th centuries.

Because they both involve a lost mega-empire in Eurasia and suppression of its legacy, they are easy to merge.

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2. Merging of Empires

In the blended theory:

• “Tartary” = Fomenko’s Russian/Mongol superstate.

• This state ruled from the Pacific to Eastern Europe, often extending into North America (via “Old World” colonies).

• Capital cities are placed in Tobolsk, Moscow, or even Samarkand, depending on the variant.

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3. Mud Flood as the “Reset”

Here’s where Mud Flood ideas come in:

• Fomenko explains the “erasure” of this empire as a textual fraud by Western historians.

• Mud Flood believers replace or augment that explanation with a global cataclysm in the early–mid 1800s.

• This “mud flood” supposedly buried cities, destroyed Tartary’s tech, and allowed Britain, Rome, and the Vatican to rewrite the past.

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4. Reframing of Events

The fusion theory tends to reinterpret major historical moments:

• Napoleonic Wars: really a last-ditch fight between Tartary (Russia) and the Western alliance.

• Crimean War (1853–56): framed as the final destruction of Tartary, not a regional war.

• Industrial Revolution: not invention, but re-discovery of Tartarian tech after the mud flood.

• Colonial Empires: “cover story” for reclaiming lost Tartary territories.

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5. “Advanced Tech” Angle

Both theories feed into claims of:

• Star forts as “power stations.”

• Railroads, giant cannons, and massive masonry being Tartarian tech.

• Atmospheric energy systems (think “free energy towers”).

• Architecture in European cities and the US as proof of a global Tartarian aesthetic.

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6. Why They Fit So Well Together

• Mutual distrust of archaeology, carbon dating, and conventional timelines.

• Romantic nationalism: paints Eurasia (often specifically Russia) as a betrayed civilizational heart.

• Open-ended mythos: Great Tartary is so loosely defined that Fomenko’s dates and places can be plugged in without much conflict.

• The geographical overlap is near-perfect — both place their mega-empire across Siberia, Central Asia, and Eastern Europe.

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7. Differences That Cause Friction

• Fomenko puts the “fall” of the empire mostly around 1600–1700, whereas Mud Flood believers prefer a 19th-century reset.

• Fomenko’s work is text-heavy and “scholarly-looking”; Mud Flood theory relies more on photographic anomalies and architecture.

• Fomenko’s followers don’t always accept the more extreme tech claims (e.g., free energy domes), though some do.

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If you like, I can map out a timeline of “world history” according to this merged Tartary–New Chronology–Mud Flood narrative, so you can see exactly how they reshape events from 1000 AD to the 1900s. That’s where it gets really… creative.

Bomb MIT back to the Stone Age?

 

Why the obsession with proving Einstein wrong...if the alternative is an *even more crazy* universe á la Bohr and the Copenhagen clique? Dude! Forgive the media (and MIT) for they do not know what they are doing...  

Reality doesn´t exist

 

This is the world atheists *don´t* want but quantum physics insist on serving them anyway. And no, it doesn´t matter how many times the atheist screams "IT IS STILL NOT SPIRITUAL", the weirdness of modern physics still shows "materialism" as usually understood can´t be true. Sabine even left out a few crazy things in the short video above!

I´m of two minds about this (r/superposition). On the one hand, I want my world to be neat, tidy and freakin´ commonsensical. Whaddya mean Big Bang and sheet? Time moves slower in some galaxies, wtf?!

On the other hand...maybe it´s a good thing that Skeptics (TM) get their small circles upset from time to time. I mean, are you seriously telling me that God (or the Divine, or...) is impossible in a universe of illogical high strangeness? 

On the menu

 

So the Democratic Party hired a fat woman in order to reach out to...young male voters? Because of course they did. Despite a budget of 20 million dollars, the attempt failed. Meanwhile in Oregon, the state administration (D) have hired a person who identifies as a turtle to advise them on - wait for it - mental health issues. You can´t make this shit up! The inmates really are running the asylum at this point. Not sure if this Otherkin is a Unitarian Universalist, though.  

As I said before, if the Dems ever retake Congress and/or the White House, it evidently won´t be because of their (identity) politics. Centuries from now, historians will wonder what the heck went wrong with the Western world circa 2015-2025. Were we occupied by body snatchers, did somebody create a new religious cult, did climate change drive us mad, or what? 

If you find this in 500 years, please tell them that we kind of wondered about the same thing ourselves...    

Bromance or just transvestigation?

 

Does Macron have a bromance with his waifu Brigitte? Is Brigitte really her own brother and Macron´s father? Or is Candace Owens just fake and gay? There is also a funny one-person conspiracy theory that Candace herself is a man, LOL.

Frankly, why do the Macrons even care about this BS? I assumed France was the world capital of libertinage anyhow. As opposed to, say, MK-Ultra.

And here´s ChatGPT!  

Does Candace Owens claim that French president Macron´s wife Brigitte is really his father and a gay man?

Yes — Candace Owens has repeatedly claimed that French First Lady Brigitte Macron was born male, specifically alleging she was formerly her brother, Jean‑Michel Trogneux, transitioned to female, and engaged in a wide-ranging conspiracy including incest, identity theft, and CIA mind-control involvement.

Key details:

• Owens asserted in 2024 that she would "stake her entire professional reputation" on the claim that Brigitte Macron is a man Omni+15Advocate.com+15The Independent+15.

• She promoted these allegations in an eight-part podcast and social media posts under titles like “Becoming Brigitte” The Week+15Them+15People.com+15.

• The conspiracy theory originated from fringe French outlets in 2021, and similar claims have no credible evidence and remain widely debunked Advocate.comThe Times of IndiaThe Guardian.

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🔍 French Legal Action

• President Emmanuel Macron and Brigitte Macron have filed a 218–219 page defamation lawsuit in Delaware, accusing Candace Owens of spreading false and defamatory conspiracies about Brigitte, including that she was born male, involved in incest, and that Emmanuel Macon’s presidency was linked to CIA programs Advocate.com+15El País+15dw.com+15.

• The lawsuit includes 22 counts and seeks unspecified damages for emotional and reputational harm CBS Nyheter.

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✅ Conclusion

No credible basis exists for Owens’s claims. The conspiracy is defamatory and discredited, prompting legal action by the Macrons. So, yes, Candace Owens has publicly made those claims, and they are false as well as legally challenged.