Tuesday, December 16, 2025

On a knife-edge (part 2)

 


ChatGPT on repressed memories of abuse and trauma. Part 2 of 3. "For the record only". 

Look at famous case studies (true and false)

Below is a careful tour of famous case studies that shaped how scientists now think about repressed vs reconstructed memories. I’ll separate credible cases, ambiguous cases, and demonstrably false cases, and explain why each matters.

I’ll avoid sensationalism and stick to what the cases actually show.


1. Cases often cited as “true recovered memories” — and why they’re controversial

A. The Jane Doe / “delayed recall” abuse cases

There are many reported cases where adults say:
• They did not remember childhood abuse for years
• Later remembered it in adulthood
• The abuse was independently corroborated

What these cases really show
• Some traumatic events are genuinely forgotten
• Some are later recalled
• Independent corroboration does sometimes exist

But crucially
• These memories are often:
– Partial
– Vague
– Triggered by external reminders (news, conversations)
• Not recovered through hypnosis or memory-recovery therapy
• Often involve reinterpretation rather than sudden recall

Most memory researchers classify these as:

Ordinary forgetting + later recall, not repression in the Freudian sense.


B. Linda Meyer Williams’ study (1994)

This is often cited as the strongest evidence for repression.

The study
• Followed women with documented childhood sexual abuse
• Interviewed them as adults
• Some did not report the abuse initially
• Some later acknowledged it

What it actually supports
• Some people do not spontaneously report known abuse
• Avoidance, shame, and lack of salience matter

What it does not prove
• An unconscious repression mechanism
• Complete amnesia followed by accurate recovery
• Memory being “stored intact”

Even Williams herself later clarified that her findings were misused.


2. Ambiguous cases — where interpretation matters

A. War trauma with delayed recall

Some combat veterans:
• Do not recall specific incidents for years
• Later remember fragments

This is often cited as repression.

Modern interpretation
• High stress impairs encoding
• Alcohol, injury, dissociation play roles
• Memories were never fully consolidated

Again: encoding failure ≠ repression.


B. Chronic childhood abuse cases

In long-term abuse:
• Events blur together
• No clear episodic boundaries
• Later recall is schematic (“I know it happened”)

This looks like repression but is better understood as:
• Poor episodic encoding
• Narrative reconstruction


3. Famous false-memory cases (very important)

These are where the strongest evidence exists.


A. The McMartin Preschool case (1980s)

Claim
• Hundreds of children abused in satanic rituals
• Underground tunnels
• Animal sacrifices
• Flights in hot-air balloons

Reality
• No physical evidence
• Highly suggestive interviews
• Leading questions
• Long interrogations

Children came to believe the events vividly.

Outcome
• Longest criminal trial in US history
• All charges dropped

Significance
• Demonstrated how easily detailed false memories can be created
• Especially in children


B. Paul Ingram case

Who
• Sheriff’s deputy
• Accused of satanic ritual abuse by his daughters

What happened
• Initially denied everything
• Under pressure, began to “remember” abuse
• Even “remembered” crimes that never occurred

Key experiment
• Psychologists suggested a fictional event
• Ingram developed a detailed memory of it

Outcome
• Confessed
• Later recanted
• Conviction overturned

This case is devastating to repression theory.


C. “Alien abduction” cases (Elizabeth Loftus’ work)

People under hypnosis:
• Recovered detailed memories of alien abduction
• With strong emotional conviction

These memories:
• Followed cultural scripts
• Varied by decade and media exposure

Importance
• Shows how suggestion + imagery = certainty without truth


D. The “Lost in the Mall” experiment (Loftus & Pickrell)

Method
• Participants told they were lost in a mall as children (false)
• Encouraged to recall details

Results
• ~25–30% developed a memory
• Some added rich detail
• Many were confident it happened

This experimentally proves false autobiographical memory formation.


4. Therapy-induced false memories (1980s–90s)

Common techniques:
• Hypnosis
• Guided imagery
• Dream interpretation
• “Your symptoms mean abuse”

Outcomes:
• Memories of satanic ritual abuse
• Incest rings
• Multiple perpetrators

Later investigations showed:
• No corroboration
• Strong therapist suggestion
• Cultural contagion

This period permanently altered professional ethics.


5. Why “false” doesn’t mean “lying”

This is crucial.

People with false memories:
• Are not faking
• Are not consciously lying
• Experience genuine emotion
• Experience genuine certainty

Memory sincerity ≠ memory accuracy.


6. What case studies collectively show

Across decades:

Supported

• Forgetting of trauma can occur
• Recall can happen later
• Memory is reconstructive
• Suggestion powerfully shapes memory

Not supported

• A special repression mechanism
• Long-term storage of intact traumatic memories
• Reliable recovery via therapy techniques


7. The modern consensus phrasing

Most experts now say:

“Traumatic memories may be forgotten or avoided and later recalled, but claims of repression followed by accurate recovery should be treated with skepticism, especially when memories emerge under suggestive conditions.”


8. One-sentence takeaway

Case studies show that memory is vulnerable, not vault-like — and that certainty is a poor guide to truth.

If you want, next we could:
• Examine neurobiology of traumatic memory
• Look at legal standards for recovered memories
• Compare Freud’s repression to predictive processing
• Or discuss why the idea remains culturally powerful

Just say where to go next.

4 comments:

  1. Hmm.. I Ingramfallet sade sig Ingram minnas att han begick övergrepp innan han pressades av någon. Då kom Richard Ofshe - som drev linjen att bortträngda minnen inte existerar - och "berättade" för Ingram att en av de saker som barnen berättat var att han fick den att ha sex med varandra. Han sade sig minnas detta. Då kunde Ofshe triumferade slå fast att barnen inte berättat detta. Alltså mindes han fel. Alltså var även hans övriga minnen falska. Vilket skulle bevisas, Nu är att tvinga barn att ha sex med varandra mycket vanligt i rituella övergrepp. Att barnen inte berättade det bevisar inte att hans minne av att ha gjort det var falskt. Och sedan har fallet sedan spridits som ett bevisat fall av falska minnen - hos en förövare som erkänt. Det är det inte

    Erik r.

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  2. PS: McMartinfallet började när ett barn kom hem blödande från anus. Efter ett tag berättade han att en lärare hade gjort det. Polisen sände ett brev till andra föräldrar där de sa att de skulle fråga sina barn om saken. Ett stort antal av dem pekade ut samma lärare. Det började alltså inte med "terapeuter" som "inplanterade" något.

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  3. Har nästan lust att fråga ChatGPT om saken. Det kan ju vara intressant att veta vad för slags bild de som programmerat systemet (?) vill att den ska sprida. Eller agerar den utifrån principen "jag får inte förolämpa någondera sidan"? (För då minskar antalet potentiella användare av ChatGPT)?

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  4. När jag diskuterade den typen av frågor verkade ChatGPT retirera när jag kom med invändningar. Jag har tyvärr inte kvar konversationerna för denna ChatGPT kollapsade när jag förlorade kontakten med min. blogg, som plötsligt sa att jag hade fel lösenord. Det verkade som om ChatGPT och Googlebloggen var hopkopplade på något sätt

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