Friday, May 2, 2025

To hell with William James (part 2)

 


What was William James´ view of religion more generally? Also, did he have some kind of religious background? Or his family?

Excellent questions. William James had a deep and complex relationship with religion—both intellectually and personally. He wasn’t conventionally religious, but he took religious experience seriously and approached it with empathy and philosophical depth.

🙏 James’s View of Religion: Overview

James’s most detailed treatment is in his classic book The Varieties of Religious Experience (1902), based on his Gifford Lectures in Scotland. He was interested not in doctrines or institutions, but in personal, lived religious experience—especially mystical, emotional, and transformative aspects.

🔍 Key Features of His View:

  1. Religion is primarily psychological and experiential:

    • He defined religion as “the feelings, acts, and experiences of individual men in their solitude, so far as they apprehend themselves to stand in relation to whatever they may consider the divine.”

    • He bracketed metaphysical claims to focus on what religion does in people’s lives.

  2. Pragmatism applied to religion:

    • He asked: What are the practical consequences of religious belief?

    • If belief in God leads to healing, meaning, or moral strength, then it has a kind of pragmatic truth, even if it can't be proven metaphysically.

  3. Mystical experience as a core of religion:

    • James was deeply intrigued by mystical states (e.g., unity, transcendence, ineffability).

    • He saw them as real psychological phenomena, and possibly as windows into a deeper metaphysical reality.

    • He remained agnostic about whether these experiences were objectively true, but insisted they were subjectively authoritative for the person experiencing them.

  4. Pluralism and open-mindedness:

    • James rejected rigid theological systems.

    • He believed that different religious experiences could reflect different aspects of truth.

    • He opposed “once-born” optimistic religion (common in liberal Protestantism) and was more sympathetic to “twice-born” religion: acknowledging suffering, division, and the need for transformation.


🏡 James’s Religious Background

William James came from a highly intellectual and spiritually adventurous family, though not conventionally religious:

🧔 Father – Henry James Sr.:

  • A Swedenborgian Christian and religious mystic.

  • Deeply influenced by the mystical writings of Emanuel Swedenborg and German Idealism.

  • Emphasized personal spiritual experience and the direct presence of God, rather than dogma or church authority.

  • Their home was full of philosophical and religious conversation, often mystical or metaphysical.

👦 William James himself:

  • Grew up in this spiritually experimental environment.

  • Studied science and medicine, but had a personal crisis in his 20s, including depression and existential doubt.

  • This crisis deepened his interest in questions of freedom, will, and meaning.

  • Though not a churchgoer or dogmatic believer, he remained sympathetic to religion, especially as a source of personal transformation and moral energy.


📌 In Summary

  • James saw religion as a real, deeply human response to existential needs—especially in confronting suffering, moral struggle, and the mystery of life.

  • He viewed religious experience as psychologically and pragmatically meaningful, even if metaphysical claims could not be proven.

  • Personally, he was not conventionally religious, but he respected religious experience and believed it revealed something valuable—perhaps even something real about the structure of reality.

Would you like a breakdown of The Varieties of Religious Experience or a look at how his views compare to modern psychology of religion? 


Was William James influenced by early existentialism, for instance Kierkegaard? It sounds as if he was talking about a "leap of faith".

You're absolutely right to sense a connection between William James and Kierkegaard—especially around the idea of a "leap of faith." While James didn’t extensively cite Kierkegaard, their ideas intersect in profound ways, particularly regarding belief, individual subjectivity, and the limits of reason.

🤝 Connections Between James and Kierkegaard

1. The Leap of Faith

  • Kierkegaard argued that religious belief requires a leap beyond reason—a passionate commitment made in the face of uncertainty and absurdity (e.g., believing in the paradox of the God-man, Christ).

  • James, in The Will to Believe, similarly defends belief without conclusive evidence when the choice is forced, momentous, and undecidable on intellectual grounds. He never uses the phrase “leap of faith,” but his idea of letting one’s “passional nature” decide resembles Kierkegaard’s existential risk.

➡️ Both see faith as a subjective commitment, not a product of logical proof.


2. Subjective Truth and Existential Urgency

  • Kierkegaard famously distinguished between objective truth and subjective truth—arguing that what matters most is how one believes, not what one believes.

  • James similarly emphasizes personal experience and the practical consequences of belief, rather than whether a belief corresponds to an abstract metaphysical truth.

➡️ Both emphasize existential engagement and the idea that belief has to be lived, not just theorized.


3. Religion as Individual and Transformative

  • For Kierkegaard, authentic faith is a lonely, deeply personal struggle with paradox and despair.

  • For James, religious faith often arises out of crisis or inner division (“twice-born” souls), and leads to transformation and moral energy.

➡️ Both reject easy, rationalistic religion in favor of something more existentially costly and meaningful.


📚 Did James Read Kierkegaard?

There’s no strong evidence that William James had read Kierkegaard directly. Kierkegaard’s works weren’t widely translated into English until after James’s major works were published. However:

  • Intellectual osmosis is possible: ideas similar to Kierkegaard’s circulated in 19th-century Protestant theology, German Romanticism, and Idealism, which James and his father were immersed in.

  • Later thinkers—like existentialists and theologians (e.g., Paul Tillich)—noted the deep resonance between James and Kierkegaard, even if the influence was indirect.


🧩 Summary

  • William James and Kierkegaard both affirm that faith involves risk and subjectivity.

  • Both push back against cold rationalism, insisting that some truths must be embraced through commitment, not calculation.

  • While James was likely not directly influenced by Kierkegaard, they converge in viewing religious belief as a personal, existential act, not merely an intellectual conclusion.

Would you like a comparison between James and later existentialists like Sartre or Camus, or a deeper dive into how James defines the "twice-born" religious personality?


The "twice-born" personality.

Great—this is one of the most compelling and psychologically rich ideas in William James’s The Varieties of Religious Experience (1902). The concept of the "twice-born" personality is James’s way of classifying certain types of religious temperament, particularly those marked by inner conflict, existential struggle, and eventual transformation.

🌱 Once-Born vs. Twice-Born: James's Typology

James contrasts two broad types of religious individuals:

1. Once-Born

  • These are people who are naturally optimistic and reconciled to the world.

  • They tend to see God as good, the world as harmonious, and evil as more or less illusory or easily overcome.

  • Their religion is often liberal, cheerful, and affirming.

  • They may never experience a deep existential crisis; their spirituality aligns with their temperament.

➡️ James associates this type with “healthy-mindedness”—a sunny, untroubled view of life.

2. Twice-Born

  • These are individuals who experience deep inner division, guilt, despair, or a sense of alienation from life.

  • Their religious awakening often comes through crisis, suffering, or profound moral/spiritual conflict.

  • They do not accept the world as inherently good—they feel the weight of evil, sin, and brokenness.

  • Their path to faith involves a conversion or transformation—a radical reorientation of the self.

➡️ This type aligns with what James calls “the sick soul”—someone deeply aware of life’s darkness, who eventually finds healing or salvation through a religious or mystical experience.


🔁 Why "Twice-Born"?

The term comes from the experience of being "born again", not necessarily in a Christian evangelical sense, but as a metaphor for existential transformation.

  • First birth: into a world of conflict, alienation, or meaninglessness.

  • Second birth: through religious experience, the self is reconciled, often through grace, surrender, or mystical insight.

This rebirth allows the person to live with the darkness, not by denying it but by transcending it—often seeing life as meaningful even with its pain and ambiguity.


🧠 Psychological and Existential Depth

James doesn’t idealize the once-born or twice-born. Instead, he sees both as genuine religious types, shaped by temperament, life experience, and inner needs.

However, he is often more drawn to the twice-born, because their experience:

  • Confronts the full range of human suffering.

  • Involves deeper moral and existential wrestling.

  • Yields more profound religious transformation and insight.


📌 Examples James Discusses

  • Leo Tolstoy: Had everything—wealth, success—but was plunged into despair until he found spiritual peace in a kind of humble religious belief.

  • John Bunyan (Pilgrim’s Progress): Suffered intense guilt and inner torment before experiencing conversion.

  • St. Augustine: Struggled with sin and desire before radically changing through faith.

These are all twice-born figures: people who had to break before they could be remade.


🧩 In Summary

  • The "twice-born" person is deeply aware of life's brokenness—and must undergo a crisis and transformation to find religious or existential peace.

  • For James, this type exemplifies the power of religion to offer redemption, not just optimism.

  • It resonates with existential themes: authenticity, suffering, alienation, and rebirth.

Would you like to explore how this idea connects to later existential psychology (like Carl Jung or Viktor Frankl)?


Did James believe that there was *some* rational evidence for religion, or was all of his evidence purely pragmatic and subjective?

Excellent question. William James walked a very fine line between subjective pragmatism and objective rationality when it came to religious belief. He didn’t claim that religion could be proven in the scientific or metaphysical sense—but he also didn’t think religious belief was merely irrational or arbitrary. Instead, he believed that certain kinds of religious belief could be rationally justified, depending on how we understand evidence and rationality.

Let’s break it down:


🔍 James on Rational Evidence and Religion

1. Not Scientific or Demonstrative Evidence

James openly acknowledged that religious belief lacks the kind of empirical or deductive evidence we expect in science or logic:

  • We can’t verify God’s existence in a laboratory.

  • Doctrines like the soul or immortality aren’t falsifiable or testable.

So by epistemic rationalist standards (e.g. Clifford’s evidentialism), religion fares poorly.


2. But Not Entirely Irrational Either

James argued that religious belief could still be rationally acceptable, because our standards for rationality must fit the domain we're in. Religion deals with:

  • Personal meaning

  • Ultimate questions (life, death, suffering, purpose)

  • Moral commitment and transformation

These are not purely intellectual problems, and trying to resolve them with only cold logic is, for James, misguided.


3. His “Evidences” for Religion

James does think there is a kind of evidence, just not of the traditional philosophical sort. These include:

✅ Pragmatic Evidence:

  • Religion’s fruits: its effect on people’s lives.

  • If religious belief leads to moral improvement, deeper meaning, or psychological healing, then it has a kind of truth in its consequences.

"The truth of an idea is not a stagnant property inherent in it. Truth happens to an idea. It becomes true, is made true by events."

✅ Phenomenological Evidence:

  • The intensity, authority, and coherence of mystical and conversion experiences point to something real—at least subjectively.

  • James does not dismiss these experiences as delusional; he sees them as windows into another mode of consciousness, possibly even a deeper reality.

✅ Personal Experience as Legitimate Ground for Belief:

  • For the individual, religious experience may be rationally compelling, even if not transferable as evidence to others.


🧠 Did He Think God Was Real?

James ends The Varieties of Religious Experience tentatively affirming some kind of theism, though not a traditional one. He suggests that:

  • The universe may be open to influence by human will (he calls it a “pluralistic universe”).

  • God is possibly real in a dynamic, relational sense—not a fixed metaphysical entity, but a presence or moral power we interact with.

So while he didn’t argue for dogmatic theology, he did believe that religious belief could be rationally and experientially grounded, especially if it meets the practical and existential needs of the person.


🧩 In Summary

  • James did not believe religious belief is irrational or groundless.

  • He redefined what counts as “evidence”—expanding it to include pragmatic effects, inner experience, and personal transformation.

  • He believed that it is rational to believe in certain religious ideas when they help us live meaningfully, face moral challenges, and make sense of our experience—even if such belief goes beyond demonstrable proof.

Would you like to compare this with how someone like Alvin Plantinga approaches religious rationality with a more epistemological framework?

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