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I get the feeling that much, much more could be said about this...
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An exchange on the discussion thread:
ReplyDelete>>>Gman says: So, per your beliefs, magic has no intrinsic material effects at all? That’s hardly a perspective most historical practitioners would share.
>>>JMG says: Gman, I have yet to see a magical working that had effects on the material plane that were not mediated by some conscious being. I’m open to the possibility that this can happen, but I’ve been doing this stuff for more than 45 years and have met and practiced with some of the best practitioners in the world, and I have to call it the way I see it.
I wonder if JMG isn´t being "esoterickal" here, since *the magician himself* (or herself) is obviously a conscious being! But if so, maybe magick can work "directly" on material objects?