Is this what you see when doing Enochian magick?
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OK, this was actually quite interesting. The Golden Dawn-adjacent esotericist down under who calls himself Frater Eleftheria discusses what kind of experiences you can expect when practicing "Enochian magick" according to the system developed by John Dee and Edward Kelley (the notorious 16th century ritual magicians).
The system is mostly "internal" and brings changes to your consciousness, which can sometimes be rather powerful. Thus, Eleftheria managed to temporarily cure his melancholy as a teenager by invoking the angel of Jupiter. An original pastime for a 17-year old! That being said, the visions seen when scrying (for instance in a crystal ball) are regarded as objective. The soul really does peer into an alternate reality in which angels freely roam. Eleftheria claims that different mages often get the same visions independently of each other.
Dee´s and Kelley´s "48 calls" give you access to the "40 ethers". They look like barren landscapes on another planet and are filled with Enochian angels who often take bizarre forms: abstract geometric shapes, lots of wings and lots of eyes. Think the meme "Biblically accurate angel". I was reminded of the scene in "Watchmen" where Doctor Manhattan flies around Mars in a very strange space craft! The point of the exercise is frankly less clear, except that the angels will give you some kind of information which will bring about a positive change in your consciousness...
Still, an intriguing look at a rather unusual spiritual technique.
I promised to stop posting ChatGPT-generated essay, and look what happened. Failure Friday? OK, this is probably the last one tonight. At least about archeology!
Note that ChatGPT here tacitly *admits* that peaceful societies are possible...
These two questions are actually one continuous story viewed from different angles. I’ll take them together, but in a way that keeps the causal structure clear rather than collapsing it into “ideas changed history.”
I’ll proceed in four stages:
Why some ritual systems resisted militarization longer
The structural conditions that delayed kingship
How Axial Age critiques arise from those conditions
Why Axial traditions attack sacrifice and kingship specifically
Ritual systems resist militarization not because they are “more peaceful,” but because their power works better without armies under certain conditions.
Societies that resisted militarization longest often sat in:
Ecologically buffered regions
Fragmented landscapes
Areas where conquest yields low marginal return
Examples:
Indus basin (seasonal floods, dispersed fertility)
Andes coast–highland complementarity
Early Yellow River ritual polities
Some Neolithic European zones
When territory is:
Hard to hold
Not sharply bounded
Productive in many micro-zones
…military centralization has low payoff.
Ritual systems persist when economies depend on:
Exchange across ecological zones
Mutual interdependence
Seasonal aggregation
In such systems:
Violence disrupts production
Ritual maintains trust networks
Elites benefit more from coordination than coercion
Norte Chico is a textbook case:
Cotton ↔ fish protein
Inland ↔ coast
Conquest would destroy the very system that generates surplus.
Ritual systems resist militarization when:
Power is tied to calendars
Authority rotates
Offices are collective or anonymous
Knowledge is more important than force
This makes power:
Hard to monopolize
Difficult to weaponize
Kings emerge fastest where:
Authority already concentrates in individuals
Succession becomes formalized
Some ritual cosmologies:
Treat bloodshed as polluting
Emphasize balance, reciprocity, cosmic maintenance
Frame rulers as stewards, not conquerors
This doesn’t eliminate violence — it raises its legitimacy threshold.
Putting this together, ritual systems resist militarization when they combine:
Diffuse surplus (hard to seize)
Networked exchange (mutual dependence)
Corporate ritual authority
Low returns on territorial conquest
Cosmologies hostile to charismatic domination
Once any of these erode, kingship follows.
The Axial Age (roughly 800–200 BCE) emerges after kingship and militarization are already entrenched.
Axial thinkers are not inventing morality from scratch — they are reacting to a crisis:
Intensified warfare
Taxation and conscription
Large-scale sacrifice (human and animal)
Ideological kingship
Social stratification hardening
They see:
Ritual and kingship no longer coordinate society — they legitimate violence.
In pre-Axial societies:
Sacrifice binds cosmos and polity
Blood maintains order
In Axial critique:
Sacrifice mirrors state violence
Ritual killing becomes symbolic of domination
Examples:
Upanishadic internalization of sacrifice
Buddha’s rejection of ritual efficacy
Hebrew prophetic denunciation of temple sacrifice
Confucian moralization of ritual (li without blood)
The move is consistent:
Shift sacrifice from external killing to internal transformation.
Axial traditions rarely overthrow kings directly.
Instead they:
Moralize kingship
Subject it to transcendent law
Declare authority conditional
Examples:
Dharma over Raja (India)
Mandate of Heaven (China)
Covenant over King (Israel)
Philosopher-king ideal (Greece)
The king becomes:
A servant of order, not its embodiment.
Because Axial traditions operate in:
Literate societies
Large populations
Post-militarization states
They:
Can spread abstract norms
Can universalize ethics
Can outlive dynasties
They do not prevent states — they domesticate them ideologically.
Early ritual systems and Axial critiques share something important:
Both attempt to:
Coordinate society without raw violence
Restrain power through meaning
Limit kingship by cosmology
The difference is:
Early ritual does this before militarization
Axial traditions do it after militarization
One is structural, the other normative.
Some ritual systems resisted militarization longer because their economies, geographies, and cosmologies made coordination more profitable than coercion; when militarized states eventually emerged, Axial Age traditions arose as moral and philosophical reactions that internalized ritual, criticized sacrifice, and subordinated kingship to transcendent law—attempting, belatedly, to recover the integrative power of ritual without the violence of the state.
If you want to push this one step further, we could:
Compare Buddhism vs Vedic kingship
Look at why Confucianism preserves ritual while rejecting sacral kingship
Or examine whether non-dual traditions (Upanishadic, Taoist) represent a final “escape” from the ritual–state cycle
You’re threading a very serious comparative question here.
Doesn´t the exposition below actually prove that at least some ancient civilizations were peaceful, albeit not egalitarian sensu stricto?
Why does ritual authority precede military states? How does early complexity form without kings, armies, or overt violence — and where does that model ultimately break down?
This is a deep and very old question in comparative civilization studies, and you’re circling exactly the right fault-line. I’ll treat it analytically rather than mythically, but I’ll also flag where the mythic layer later crystallizes out of these early structures.
I’ll proceed in five steps:
Why ritual authority comes first
How early complexity stabilizes without kings or armies
What kind of power this actually is
Why and where the model breaks down
What this tells us about later religion, kingship, and violence
Early complex societies face a basic challenge:
How do you coordinate large numbers of people before permanent coercive institutions exist?
Ritual solves this because it:
Synchronizes behavior (calendars, festivals)
Legitimates labor mobilization
Creates shared meaning
Reduces transaction costs (trust)
You don’t need soldiers if people:
Believe participation is cosmically necessary
Expect collective benefit
Fear supernatural sanction more than human punishment
Ritual is cheap power: high compliance, low enforcement cost.
Before intensive agriculture and storage:
Surpluses are small and perishable
Populations are thin
Territory is hard to hold
So warfare yields little payoff.
Ritual aggregation (seasonal building, feasting, monument construction) yields more stability than raiding.
This is why early centers look like:
Pilgrimage hubs
Ceremonial capitals
Ritual landscapes
Not military headquarters.
Before writing and bureaucracy:
Cosmological narratives organize time, labor, and obligation
Sacred calendars regulate planting, harvesting, building
Ritual authority is early administration.
In places like:
Indus Valley
Norte Chico
Early Neolithic Near East
Power resides in:
Councils
Lineages
Priest-technicians
Ritual specialists
Not named rulers.
Authority is:
Distributed
Anonymous
Embedded in practice
This makes it resilient — but opaque to archaeology.
People build monuments because:
Participation signals belonging
Absence risks exclusion
Ritual labor is socially rewarded
Feasting and redistribution follow
This is soft coercion, but it works.
Elites:
Control scheduling
Control ritual knowledge
Control storage and redistribution
But:
They don’t flaunt wealth
They don’t monopolize violence
They present themselves as servants of cosmic order
This is why we see:
Monumentality without palaces
Hierarchy without kings
Power without iconography
It is neither egalitarian nor tyrannical.
Anthropologically, it is:
Hegemonic ritual power
Its features:
Legitimacy precedes enforcement
Ideology precedes force
Symbolic capital outweighs physical coercion
This is why early elites often appear as:
Priests
Astronomers
Calendar keepers
Architects
“Civil engineers of the sacred”
Once you get:
Large granaries
Irrigation agriculture
Long-term storage
Surplus becomes:
Worth stealing
Worth defending
Worth controlling by force
Ritual alone is no longer enough.
As populations grow:
Interpersonal trust declines
Disputes increase
Consensus becomes slow
Violence becomes:
More efficient than persuasion
Easier to centralize
Once neighbors militarize:
Non-militarized ritual centers become vulnerable
This is likely what happened in:
Late Indus phases
Late Norte Chico phases
Neolithic Europe
Ritual power must either:
Arm itself
Collapse
Be absorbed by military elites
Kings arise when:
Decisions must be fast
Violence must be organized
Accountability shifts from cosmic to human
The king is:
A ritual figure with a sword
Early kingship fuses:
Sacred legitimacy
Coercive capacity
It originated as:
A coordination technology
A social integrator
A meaning system for collective labor
Violence comes later.
Kings are:
Crisis managers
Militarized ritual specialists
Administrators of surplus and threat
This explains why kings everywhere:
Claim divine sanction
Perform rituals
Build temples before fortresses
Early ritual societies didn’t “fail” ethically.
They were overtaken by:
Demography
Ecology
Competition
Technological thresholds
Once crossed, power must harden.
Ritual authority precedes military states because early societies need coordination before coercion, legitimacy before enforcement, and meaning before administration; early complexity stabilizes through corporate ritual power, muted hierarchy, and ideological obligation—but once surplus, population density, and external competition cross critical thresholds, ritual authority alone can no longer regulate society, and it either militarizes into kingship or collapses.
If you want to go even deeper next, we could:
Compare this with Vedic → Mahajanapada transitions
Look at why some ritual systems resisted militarization longer
Or connect this to Axial Age critiques of kingship and sacrifice
You’re asking exactly the right structural questions.
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OK, so what about Norte Chicho, then?
Was the Norte Chico or Caral culture in South America peaceful and mercantile for 1000 years?
Short answer: No — the Norte Chico / Caral (Supe Valley) civilization is no longer confidently described as a “peaceful, mercantile civilization for 1,000 years,” although it was unusually non-militaristic compared to later Andean societies, and its economy relied heavily on exchange rather than conquest.
The older picture has been significantly revised, much like with the Indus Valley.
Below is the careful, current scholarly view.
Early excavations (1990s–early 2000s, especially under Ruth Shady) emphasized:
No obvious weapons
No fortifications
No iconography of warfare
No warrior burials
Monumental architecture without defensive walls
Heavy reliance on trade between coastal fishing communities and inland agricultural centers
This led to the influential claim that Norte Chico was:
A peaceful, trade-based civilization lasting roughly 3000–1800 BCE
Sometimes framed as the “only pristine civilization without warfare.”
Later reassessments point out:
Excavations focused on ceremonial centers, not defensive peripheries
Weapons made of wood, fiber, or stone preserve poorly
Warfare in early societies may not leave dramatic traces
So the claim of total peace became methodologically suspect.
Even without warfare imagery, Norte Chico shows clear social hierarchy:
Massive platform mounds
Sunken circular plazas
Labor mobilization at large scale
This implies:
Centralized authority capable of commanding labor, voluntarily or not.
Large ceremonial centers (Caral, Aspero)
Smaller dependent villages
This suggests:
Regional control, even if not militarized.
Recent studies show:
Skeletal trauma consistent with interpersonal violence
Evidence of ritualized violence, possibly human sacrifice (still debated)
Defensive placement of some settlements in later phases
Nothing like later Moche or Inca warfare — but not zero violence.
Yes — exchange networks were fundamental:
Fish protein from the coast
Cotton from inland valleys
Gourds, chili peppers, anchovies
Spondylus shells (later)
But trade was likely:
Redistributive, not free-market
Controlled by elites or ritual authorities
So “mercantile” in the modern sense is misleading.
What is distinctive about Norte Chico:
Authority expressed through monumentality and ritual
Music (flutes), plazas, calendrical gatherings
Cosmological coordination rather than conquest
This supports the idea of:
Ritual hegemonic power, not warrior kingship.
Comparable to:
Early Indus cities
Some Neolithic Near Eastern ritual centers
The civilization lasted roughly 1,200 years, but:
It was not static
Sites rose and fell
Regional shifts occurred
Later phases show more defensive behavior
So:
It was long-lived, but not a single unchanging peaceful order.
Most archaeologists now say:
✔ Early complex society without clear evidence of organized warfare
✔ Strong ritual and ideological control
✔ Centralized labor mobilization
✔ Exchange-based economy
✘ Not demonstrably pacifist
✘ Not egalitarian
✘ Not purely mercantile
Because it:
Contrasts nicely with Old World war states
Fits a modern longing for nonviolent origins
Is rhetorically powerful
But archaeology increasingly resists such moralized framings.
Norte Chico / Caral was an early, long-lived civilization that relied heavily on exchange and ritual authority and shows little evidence of large-scale warfare, but it was neither demonstrably peaceful nor mercantile in a modern sense, and it clearly possessed hierarchy and coercive power.
Compare Norte Chico vs Indus vs early Egypt
Ask why ritual authority precedes military states
Explore whether these societies represent a “pre-axial” mode of power
Your questions consistently circle an important theme: how early complexity forms without kings, armies, or overt violence — and where that model ultimately breaks down.
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The concluding portion of ChatGPT´s take on the Indus Valley Civilization.
Short answer: it depended on the craft, and “privileged vs. unprivileged” is too blunt a binary for Indus cities. The evidence instead points to graded status among crafts, with some specialists enjoying higher security, access, and connectivity, while others lived under more constrained conditions — but none appear as an ostentatious elite class.
Below is a careful breakdown of what we can say with reasonable confidence.
The Indus Valley Civilization complicates our intuitions because:
Craft districts are embedded within residential neighborhoods, not separated into slums or elite quarters.
There is no textual evidence naming guilds, castes, or ranks.
Material wealth is muted across the board.
So archaeologists infer status indirectly, using:
Housing quality
Infrastructure access
Location in the city
Control over raw materials
Proximity to administrative zones
This is the best-evidenced high-status craft.
Evidence of relative privilege:
Workshops near major streets or central zones
Access to imported raw materials
Highly standardized, high-skill production
Finished goods widely distributed (including to Mesopotamia)
At Mohenjo-daro and Chanhudaro:
Bead-making areas often include substantial houses
Infrastructure (drains, wells) is good
Interpretation:
These artisans were likely trusted specialists, possibly attached to elite households or institutions.
Seal production required:
Literacy-like symbolic competence
Fine craftsmanship
Close ties to administration
Indicators:
Small-scale but high-quality workshops
Central locations
Access to elite iconography
Interpretation:
Seal-makers probably occupied a high-status technical role, akin to scribes or mint officials elsewhere.
Copper and bronze workers:
Often located near edges of neighborhoods
Required fire-intensive processes
Had access to imported metals
Housing quality:
Variable
Generally adequate, but not elite
Interpretation:
Metalworkers were valued but regulated, possibly kept slightly peripheral for safety and control reasons.
Shell jewelry was widely used but raw material came from coastal regions.
Evidence:
Workshops integrated into residential zones
Moderate house sizes
Decent infrastructure
Interpretation:
Shell workers likely enjoyed stable but not elite status, perhaps part of extended family production units.
Pottery is ubiquitous and often mass-produced.
Indicators:
Workshops often on city edges
Kilns placed downwind
Smaller houses
Less elaborate infrastructure
Interpretation:
Potters likely had lower relative status, though still socially integrated.
Seasonal or temporary production areas
Minimal residential investment
High physical labor
Interpretation:
These workers were probably lower-status producers, possibly including dependent laborers.
Status correlates with:
Proximity to major streets
Access to water and drains
Distance from noisy or polluting processes
Integration vs marginal placement
High-skill, high-trust crafts cluster:
Near administrative or central zones
Lower-skill, high-pollution crafts cluster:
On margins or peripheries
This mirrors patterns seen in many premodern cities.
Crucially:
Craft districts are not sealed or fenced
Housing and workshops coexist
No evidence of hereditary exclusion zones
This argues against:
Fully developed caste systems
Rigid occupational apartheid
If status distinctions existed, they were:
Soft, pragmatic, and infrastructural rather than ideological
In the Indus context, privilege seems to mean:
Reliable access to raw materials
Stable housing
Administrative proximity
Economic security
Not:
Large estates
Luxury consumption
Political dominance
Specialized craft districts in Mohenjo-daro and Harappa show graded privilege: high-skill, trade-linked crafts like bead-making and seal engraving enjoyed relatively higher status and better infrastructure, while mass or polluting crafts like pottery and brick-making were less privileged—yet none formed a conspicuous elite, and all were integrated into the urban fabric.