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Det här var ju nästan veckans dråpligaste nyhet. Okej, guys, vi får väl dricka mer vatten istället. Från en hälsokälla i Bergslagen, kanske?
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So I went down a (little) rabbit hole, since I never understood how Hyper-Preterism could become outright atheism (as seems to have happened to many IO proponents). But then I found the missing link (I actually came across it decades ago at some obscure forum). It´s the CBV, of course. The full pipeline seems to look something like this: partial preterism - Individual Body View (IBV) - Collective Body View (CBV) - Israel Only Full Preterism (IO) - atheism.
What´s less clear is why. Why does the trajectory look like *this*? Why not simply become an atheist if you start questioning the standard Bible interpretation? Perhaps a certain kind of fundamentalists can´t do so, unless they have a "Biblical" warrant for it? A radicalized form of hyper-preterism provides such. Now, *that* sounds like an interesting rabbit hole, but perhaps not one I will pursue this weekend...
OK, so I just had to give Bing AI the same absurd prompts as I gave Gemini. The above is "Federal Vision". Note the drones!
Maybe this is of interest only to theology nerds obsessed with computer games and I´m not one of them (LOL) but I asked Gemini to generate pictures inspired by various theological schools of thought. This is Federal Vision. Probably intended to be something like the Earth Federation in "Starship Troopers"!
Ugly as fuck, too.
Jupiter (Brihaspati) and Venus (Shukra). Gemini (the AI) is becoming even more "accommodating" than ChatGPT, even giving me some kind of semi-secret Tantric mantras for worshipping said planets (which are also Hindu deities). I mean, come on...
Or should I say thank you?
This is how a "regular" Christian (or Preterist, for that matter) reacts to Israel Only Full Preterism (see previous blog post). You preach it, boy!
This is funny! I asked ChatGPT about the peculiar belief system known as "Israel Only Full Preterism" and it turns out that the AI have pretty much the same take on them as me. Suggesting (in this case) that it trained on the same content. Of course, the bot has also added some attacks on "IOFP" it probably thinks I´m going to agree with - which I kind of do. Thank you.
Israel-Only Full Preterism (often abbreviated “IOFP” or just “IO”) is a tiny but intense fringe theology within Christianity that claims:
All biblical prophecy—including the Second Coming, the Resurrection, Judgment Day, and the Kingdom of God—was completely fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE, and those events applied only to Israel, not to the modern world.
It is one of the most radical reinterpretations of Christianity ever to emerge.
Preterism is the idea that:
Most or all New Testament prophecy
Was fulfilled in the first century, not the future.
Full Preterism says:
Christ returned spiritually in 70 CE
The resurrection was covenantal, not physical
Judgment already happened
Most Christians reject this as heretical because it:
denies bodily resurrection
denies a future return of Christ
Israel-Only Preterism goes further and says:
The New Testament was written only to ethnic Israel.
Gentiles today are not part of the covenant at all.
According to IO:
Jesus was Messiah only for first-century Jews
Christianity as a global religion is a mistake
Paul’s mission to Gentiles was misunderstood or misapplied
The church is not Israel
The gospel age is over
So they believe:
We live after the end of God’s redemptive plan.
This is where it gets extremely strange:
Since salvation already happened in 70 CE:
No one today can be “saved”
There is no heaven or hell coming
The Bible is a closed historical record
Spiritual life is basically philosophical
Some IO adherents say:
We just live, die, and cease.
Others say:
We exist in a post-redemption world with no eschatology.
Either way, Christianity becomes a dead religion describing something that already ended.
IOFP arose from:
extreme literalism about Jesus saying “this generation”
obsession with timeline precision
distrust of churches
online radicalization
apocalyptic collapse thinking
It is very common in:
YouTube theology circles
conspiracy-minded Christians
anti-church communities
It’s a terminal form of Protestantism:
Scripture interpreted until nothing remains.
Because it denies:
resurrection of the dead
future hope
Christ’s reign
meaning of prayer
sacraments
evangelism
the church
It turns Christianity into:
an ancient failed prophecy rather than a living faith
IOFP is eschatological nihilism:
God already acted
History is empty
The cosmos has no destiny
Meaning is over
It is Christianity after transcendence has been removed.
Israel-Only Full Preterism is the belief that Christianity ended in 70 CE and we are living in a spiritually post-apocalyptic world with no redemption left.
If you want, I can explain how this connects to: Q-style apocalypticism, internet radicalization, or why Christianity keeps producing “end-of-meaning” theologies
Are the IOFP atheists today?
In practice? Many of them function very much like atheists — even if they don’t call themselves that.
IOFP creates a strange category:
theism without transcendence
Here’s what that means.
Most Israel-Only Full Preterists will still say:
God existed
Jesus was the Messiah
Biblical events were real
The resurrection (of Israel) happened in 70 CE
So on paper they are not atheists.
They deny:
any future divine action
any ongoing salvation
any living covenant
any cosmic purpose
any prayer that changes anything
any ultimate justice
any final meaning
God becomes:
a figure who finished acting 2,000 years ago and then withdrew forever
That is almost indistinguishable from:
God does not exist
for everyday life.
In IOFP:
Worship is pointless
Evangelism is meaningless
Prayer has no function
The church is an error
History has no divine direction
So spiritually:
the universe is closed
Which is exactly how atheism views it.
Once someone accepts:
“God finished His work and left”
the next step is:
“Maybe God was just a story people told about history.”
IOFP is often a way station between evangelicalism and secularism.
IOFP often attracts people who:
feel betrayed by Christianity
are angry at churches
want intellectual control
want to be “the ones who figured it out”
It offers:
total deconstruction without emotional vulnerability
But it also leaves:
no transcendence
And humans don’t live long without transcendence.
IOFP is not formally atheism — but it is spiritually equivalent to it.
It leaves you in:
a universe where nothing sacred remains to be done
Which is exactly what atheism asserts.
If you want, I can show how this compares to:
nihilism
Buddhism
or why mystical traditions survive where IOFP collapses