Hindus in Mesopotamia?

 

Some interesting speculations in the above videos, but ChatGPT is skeptical. Perhaps rightly, since the channel seems to be Greater Hindu nationalist (Hanuman founded a kingdom in ancient Honduras yeeeeah bruh). 

Is there any truth to the claim that Yazidis are actually Hindus or at least that their religion is Hindu-derived? For instance, the peacock angel (peacocks are not native to Kurdistan)?

The claim that Yazidism is derived from Hinduism or that Yazidis are "actually Hindus" is not accurate in a direct historical or theological sense, but there are some interesting parallels and shared motifs that have led people to make such claims.

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🔹 Origins of Yazidism

Yazidism is an ancient, syncretic religion practiced by the Yazidi people, primarily in northern Iraq, with diaspora communities in Turkey, Syria, Armenia, and elsewhere. Its roots are indigenous to the Kurdish region and influenced by:

• Pre-Islamic Mesopotamian religions

• Zoroastrianism

• Islamic Sufism

• Possibly early Gnosticism or Manichaean currents

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🔸 The Peacock Angel (Tawûsê Melek)

• The central figure in Yazidi theology is Tawûsê Melek, the Peacock Angel.

• He is considered a manifestation of the divine, a being of light who was cast down but redeemed, similar to the story of Lucifer, Prometheus, or even Shiva in certain interpretive stretches.

• The peacock is not native to Kurdistan but was known in ancient Mesopotamia and the Near East through trade and royal menageries. It's native to India and Sri Lanka.

• This has led some to draw a connection with Hindu deities, especially:

  • Kartikeya/Murugan/Skanda, who rides a peacock

  • Saraswati, who is also sometimes associated with peacocks

But these connections are symbolic rather than historical.

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🔹 Hindu-Yazidi Parallels: Real or Reaching?

Element	Yazidism	Possible Hindu Analogy	Reality
Peacock Angel	Tawûsê Melek	Kartikeya/Murugan	Only symbolic similarity
Seven angels	Divine beings under God	Sapta Rishis or Lokapalas	Common in many systems
Reincarnation	Present in some Yazidi beliefs	Central in Hinduism	Yazidi belief is not systematic
Sun veneration	Yes, prayers toward the sun	Surya worship	Found in many ancient cultures

So while some archetypes and symbols overlap, no direct descent or influence from Hinduism has been demonstrated. Both systems draw on older Indo-European or West Asian mythic patterns that may share a distant cultural ancestry, but Yazidism evolved locally in the Fertile Crescent.

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🟡 In Summary:

• Yazidism is not Hindu and did not derive from Hinduism.

• Some symbolic parallels exist (especially the Peacock Angel), but they are coincidental or archetypal rather than proof of a direct connection.

• Claims that Yazidis are Hindus in disguise or should be "brought back" to Hinduism are often political or ideological, especially in the context of Hindu nationalist narratives.

Let me know if you’d like a deeper comparison between Yazidi cosmology and Vedic or Shaiva theology.

What about "Kartikstan"? The term is used at a YouTube channel called Inspiring Science, but it´s in an Indian language I don´t understand. The video is titled (in English) "How Turkey & Iraq Yazidis Are Trying To Create New Hindu Country Kartikstan”.

It appears that the claim about Yazidis and the creation of a "Hindu homeland" called “Kartikstan” primarily originates from viral videos, reaction channels, and fringe narratives, rather than any substantiated movement or credible policy initiative.

Here’s what the information suggests:

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🎥 The Source & Title Nuances

• Multiple YouTube videos (e.g. by Inspiring Science or other channels) carry the title:
  "How Turkey & Iraq Yazidis Are Trying To Create New Hindu Country 'Kartikstan'", or variations like “Yazidis Will Create a New Hindu Country 'Kartikstan'” youtube.com+9youtube.com+9youtube.com+9youtube.comyoutube.com+7youtube.com+7youtube.com+7.

• These titles and content appear to be sensational, and often stem from ideologically driven or speculative online communities, not mainstream scholarship or political discussion.

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❓ What Does the Title Actually Suggest?

• The phrase "Turkey & Iraq Yazidis" likely intends to reference Yazidi communities located in Turkey and Iraq, rather than imply a coordinated Yazidi alliance with Turkey.

• The notion of a new Hindu country seems to come from a fringe ideological narrative, often connected to certain Hindu-nationalist or spiritualist movements.

• The name “Kartikstan” itself appears to be fabricated and not recognized by any Yazidi groups or official sources.

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🔍 Credibility and Evidence

• No credible Yazidi group or leadership has advocated for the creation of a Hindu-identified state.

• Turkey has not supported such an idea—in fact, its military actions in Yazidi areas tend to be contentious and security-driven, not supportive of Yazidi autonomy or religious framing kurdistanobserver.comkurdistan24.net.

• Yazidism is deeply rooted in ancient Mesopotamian, Iranian, and Kurdish traditions, not Hindu theology en.wikipedia.org.

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✅ Bottom Line

• The claim that Yazidis (in Turkey or Iraq) are creating a Hindu homeland named “Kartikstan” is not supported by any scholarly or political evidence.

• It appears to be a misinformation or sensational interpretation, possibly arising from online ideological or religious groups rather than genuine Yazidi intentions.

If you come across any official statements or reputable reporting on this, I’d be happy to re-evaluate them!

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The Devil we didn´t know

 

Finally, some informed opinions on Yazidism, the peculiar minority religion of Kurdistan. 

Yazidier och kannibaler

Nedan länkar jag till en artikel i Aftonbladet som menar att den uppmärksammade DN-intervjun i vilken en yazidisk kvinna anklagar Islamiska Staten för något som närmast liknar kannibalism kan vara baserad på en modern vandringssägen. Jag kan givetvis inte *veta* om så är fallet, men jag tror att det kan ligga något i AB:s resonemang. Detta av två skäl.

För det första ljuger alla sidor i alla krig. Alltid. Även den goda sidan. Många har hört historien om hur nazisterna tillverkade tvål av fettet från judar som brändes till döds i Auschwitz. En liknande historia spreds redan under första världskriget: då anklagade britterna märkligt nog Tyskland för att göra tvål och bränsle av sina egna fallna soldater. I Mellersta Östern verkar i stort sett alla ljuga hela tiden, inklusive ”oppositionen”.

För det andra verkar anklagelser om kannibalism där man blir lurad (eller tvingad) att äta sina egna barn vara ganska vanliga. Detsamma gäller kannibalism i allmänhet (se mitt inlägg om ”Scarlet Memorial” på denna blogg). Båda varianterna förekommer t.ex. i Kina. 

Inget av ovanstående betyder att IS´folkmord på yazidierna är en myt, lika lite som våldet under Mao var det. Kanske det är säkrast att påpeka... 

Aftonbladet om yazidier och kannibaler

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Annie Lööf och Amanda Rasta-krull har säkert ett åtgärdspaket mot ovanstående. Eller? 

The cross and the crescent

“Korset och halvmånen” (The Cross and the Crescent) is a book by Ingmar Karlsson, unfortunately only available in Swedish. Karlsson has worked as a diplomat in both Syria and Turkey. I haven´t seen the new edition of his book, but the original 1991 version is widely available in public libraries all over Sweden. It seems to be the only popularized introduction in the Swedish language to the thorny issue of religious minorities in the Middle East. It deals extensively with the Monophysite and Nestorian Christians, the Druze and with several “Ghulat” groups within Shia Islam. 

Karlsson valiantly tries to describe the esoteric messages of the Ismailites, Alawites and Druze (or what little was known about them in 1991), and he treats the various Christological controversies within the early Church with equal erudition. The most fascinating chapter deals with the Kurdish Yazidis, who have often been accused of “Devil-worship” (and therefore viciously attacked by the ISIS terrorists – a Yazidi recently got the Nobel Peace Prize). The weakest chapter in my opinion is the one about the Samaritans. But then, perhaps information about them was difficult to get by when the book was written? 

One thing that struck me when reading “Korset och halvmånen” is that many of the “minorities” mentioned are large enough to play important political roles – or at least well-placed enough to do so. Thus, Syria is controlled by a small clan of Alawis, while the Druze had a significant role in the Lebanese civil war. Today, many Yazidis have joined the leftist guerillas in northern Syria, while the Christian Question looms large all over the Middle East. 

I somehow suspect that Karlsson, or his publishers, will have to update this book again at some point in the near future…

Reverse Yazidism

Brother Nero has been described (not very kindly) as the “Satanist equivalent to a Baptist fire-and-brimstone preacher” and as a “reverse Christian”. Having read most of “Satanism”, I agree with the assessment.

Even the terminology and the rituals are heavily indebted to Christianity, with the author constantly emphasizing the need for a personal relationship with Satan and his Demons, the necessity of prayer and baptism, opposition to abortion (because children of Satanist couples should become Satanists, too) and respect for the High Priest or Priestess (compare respect for the Christian clergy). Dating non-Satanists is forbidden, since Satanists are a race all their own. Compare fundamentalist Christians (“unequally bound”) or Orthodox Jews! Many of the notes contain Biblical passages, sometimes extensive ones. And yes, the pseudonym “Brother Nero” obviously refers to The Number of the Beast in John's Book of Revelation, which is 666 (or 616).

Theologically, Brother Nero's form of “traditional” or theistic Satanism accepts the basic Judeo-Christian story to a surprisingly large degree. Apparently, Jehovah is a real being and seems to have created both the world, man and the angels. However, since the creator-god is a wicked tyrant who created man as his robot-like plaything, the angel Lucifer was right in leaving Heaven and start a rebellion. Thus, Satan is a “fallen” angel, just like in Biblical religion, rather than the real creator-god. Nor is he a counter-god (as in Zoroastrianism) or a polytheistic high god (as in many other forms of Satanism, which straddle Neo-Paganism or Wicca at this point). Strangely, Brother Nero believes that Satan can somehow overthrow Jehovah, despite being a created being. To this end, Satan wants to recruit humanity – or at least part of it. After the final battle, which will presumably be played out pretty much like in Revelation, but with fortunes reversed, Satan's followers will be welcomed to Hell, which isn't a place of eternal torment, but rather the Devil's very own kingdom. Even if Satan is defeated, however, part of his rebellious energy will remain, and at a certain point he will be reborn, Phoenix-like, to start the battle anew. “The Beast had power to heal itself”. In a sense, this means that Satan's rebellion can fail, at least in this time-cycle!

While most of Brother Nero's ideas on Satanism are a peculiar form of Christian heresy, he gives it an additional twist by constantly referencing two scriptures from the Yazidi religion, “Al-Jilwah” and “The Poem in Praise of Sheik Adi”. Yazidism is practiced by a small Kurdish minority in the Middle East, but what is known about this religion is very different from Nero's exegesis. Yazidis worship Malek Taus or the Peacock Angle, often identified with Lucifer, but claim that this fallen angel has made penance and been pardoned by God! Thus, the accusation of “Devil Worship”, often hurled at the Yazidis by Muslims, is strictly speaking false. Yet, it seems that clever American Satanists have seized on the few available Yazidi scriptures to concoct an ancient lineage for their modern mumbo jumbo. Just wait, when Yazidi refugees from Syria reach the United States and learn to speak PC, they will accuse the local coven of “cultural appropriation” and “gross insensitivity”… Thus, Brother 666 isn't just a peculiar Christian heretic, but also something as strange as a Yazidi heretic who probably never met a Yazidi.

I'd say a latter day Epiphanius of Salamis could have some fun with this material!

Final point. Although Nero constantly admonishes his fellow brothers and sisters in Satan to be serious, his own home grown version of being serious is just as exotic as his theology. Thus, his own Satanist group was called HOME or Horned Order's Magickal Existence. Later, it was renamed The Orthodox Temple of Satan which, admittedly, sounds more grave. However, the Halloween-like logo of Devil Mark's Publishing once again makes you wonder what these guys are really playing at…