Overheard on the Internet: "THIRD SECRET OF FATIMA and the identity of the Great Catholic Monarch are revealed in the "novel" NIGHT IN ZAGREB by Medvidovic - seems like Catholic Church knows all on the coming of the SECOND SUN."
Oh.
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Overheard on the Internet: "THIRD SECRET OF FATIMA and the identity of the Great Catholic Monarch are revealed in the "novel" NIGHT IN ZAGREB by Medvidovic - seems like Catholic Church knows all on the coming of the SECOND SUN."
Oh.
Here´s the Slav connection, folks.
Is there some connection between the Krampus traditions and Slav traditions, perhaps about the Devil?
Yes — there are clear historical and thematic connections between the Alpine Krampus traditions and various Slavic wintertime devil or demon traditions, especially in the areas where Germanic and Slavic cultures have overlapped for centuries (Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, northern Italy, Czech lands, Slovakia, and parts of Poland).
These connections are not identical origins, but rather mutual influence in a shared cultural zone where winter demon lore is very old.
Below is a structured explanation.
Krampus is strongest in:
Austria (especially Tyrol, Salzburg, Styria)
Bavaria
South Tyrol
Northern Italy (Trentino)
Slovenia ← important overlap zone
Northern Croatia
Carinthia (Austria, with a Slovene minority)
In these areas, Alpine and Slavic folklore have interpenetrated for centuries. Many customs simply flow across linguistic boundaries.
Thus, Krampus shares motifs with Slavic winter demons, devils, chasing figures, and masked processions.
Across Slavic folklore, wintertime is full of demonic, horned, or beast-like figures who:
appear during Advent or Christmas
punish or frighten children
accompany saintly figures
carry chains or rods
are hairy or beastly
sometimes abduct the naughty
This makes them functionally analogous to Krampus.
Key examples:
This is almost the same figure as Krampus, and scholars view them as two names for variants of the same tradition.
Horned, shaggy, demonic
Accompany Saint Nicholas (Miklavž)
Carry chains, bells, birch rods
Frighten children
Appear on 5 December
The word Parkelj is sometimes linked to:
perk- (Slavic root for devil)
or the German Perchten
This is the strongest Slavic connection.
Figures similar to Krampus are called:
Krampus (loan from German)
Krampuslauf traditions
Djed Mraz’s devils (in some older areas)
Krampusi (plural)
Catholics in northern Croatia adopted the Alpine Nicholas + demon pairing directly.
In Czech and Slovak folklore:
Čert (“devil”) accompanies Saint Nicholas during Mikuláš festivities.
He is blackened, horned, shaggy, with chains.
He threatens to take naughty children in a sack.
A benevolent angel accompanies Nicholas too.
This three-figure setup (Nicholas + Angel + Devil) is extremely close to the Krampus–Nicholas pair.
Čert is not identical to Krampus, but the functional role is almost the same.
In southern Poland:
Nicholas is accompanied by “diabły” (devils) in Christmas folk processions.
They wear horned masks, furs, and chains.
They test children’s behavior.
They sometimes chase people.
In old Polish folklore, winter devils were part of the Dziady (ancestral) and Kolęda processions, which merged with Christian feast days.
While not directly linked to Krampus, East Slavic winter rituals include:
horned goat demons
devils who chase villagers
“koza” (the goat spirit)
masked beast figures
These belong to the same pre-Christian winter-cycle demonology.
Many Alpine and Slavic winter demons share:
the goat symbolism (linked to fertility gods and liminal spirits)
horns, furs, and wildness
the winter solstice as a time when the dead or demons roam
the threat of carrying away the naughty or impure
ritualized inversion and chaos
These point to a broader Indo-European winter-spirit complex, not a simple borrowing in one direction.
The Christian framework (Saint Nicholas + demon) got mapped onto older winter rites across Europe.
Yes — in border regions.
Especially in Slovenia, Croatia, Carinthia, and South Tyrol, Krampus evolved in a cultural zone where:
Slavic devils (čerti, parkeljni)
Germanic Perchten
Alpine Wild Men
Christian Nicholas pageants
all interacted.
However:
The core Krampus-Shint Nicholas pairing seems to have rooted mainly in German-speaking Alpine areas.
It then spread into Slavic areas, where it merged with pre-existing devil folklore.
But Slavic winter devils may have, in turn, reinforced and enriched the Krampus figure.
It’s a two-way osmosis, not a one-way borrowing.
Short version:
The Krampus tradition is Alpine-Germanic in structure, but it blends seamlessly with Slavic devil traditions in regions where the cultures overlap. Slavic winter devils (čert, parkelj, diabły) play the same role and likely reinforced or shaped Krampus in border regions.
Yes, Krampus has connections with Slavic folklore.
In Slovenia, the Parkelj = practically Krampus.
Across Czech, Slovak, Croatian, and Polish regions, winter devils accompany Nicholas just like Krampus does.
These traditions come from pre-Christian winter spirits that Christianity “domesticated” by tying them to Saint Nicholas.
Germanic and Slavic traditions blended in a shared Alpine cultural space for centuries.
So Switzerland won the Eurovision Song Contest, with Israel in fifth position. But if only the phone votes would be counted, Croatia would win with Israel second. Switzerland would be fifth.
It´s also interesting to note that Israel only got 52 points from the jury groups, but 323 points from the people.
Sure, the Israeli song wasn´t particularly good as songs go, but it´s difficult not to suspect that politics were involved here...both when the jury groups voted, and when the television viewers did so. Everyone knows that "Hurricane" is really about the Hamas terrorist attack last year.
The juries preferred the Woke song "The Code" by Nemo from Switzerland, who is now promoted as "the first non-binary winner of the Eurovision Song Contest" (he is a gay male in a skirt). The European public showed solidarity with Israel. And with Ukraine, another nation with a song that got many more votes from the people than the jury groups...
Whoa, is this even true?! A genuine "Nikola Tesla conspiracy", with Edison thrown in for good measure. It seems both men experimented with devices to communicate with the spirits of the dead. Edison´s version was called "the ghost phone" (or the "spirit phone"). How´s that for a long-distance call? Can I call back collect? Tesla´s device is apparently still used (kind of) by latter-day ghost-hunters.
I admit I had no idea.
What the heck is this guy on about?
Milanovic: Finland, Sweden can´t join NATO before Bosnia election law changed
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| Jim´s and Norden´s nemesis, Nahuel Moreno |
Can´t help linking to this hilarious polemic against "the Morenoites" (a mostly Latin American Trotskyist tendency), written by the so-called Internationalist Group, a kind of neo-Spartacist League (sans Jim and Nina). The IG, true to form, claims to be the only *true* Trotskyists, and blah-blah-blah. Believe it or not, but I actually heard about "the 1990 miners´ conference in Kuznetsk" before, and can confirm that the Morenistas were indeed present there. One thing not mentioned by the neos is the statement "Solidarity with the Croatian People" in which the ultra-Morenoite CIR calls on Basque and Corsican nationalists to aid Croatia against the Serbs, but OK, I´m digressing...
"Renegade: The Life Story of David Icke" is a long, pro-Icke documentary released in 2019. It means that "Renegade" was made before the 2020-2021 political crisis in the United States, and (of course) before the COVID pandemic. Something tells me Icke and his followers must see their conspiracist predictions being fulfilled in overdrive today. Ironically, however, the obvious weakness of the Biden administration also means that Icke´s conspiracy theories feel increasingly anachronistic. It seems the Illuminati are no longer in complete control...
David Icke is (of course) the notorious British conspiracy theorist or conspirituality guru, who has been something of a fixture of the alternative scene since the 1990´s. Originally mostly made fun of, he later became cast as some kind of anti-Semitic villain extraordinaire, while *still* made fun of in other circles. This created the paradoxical situation that honest-to-god anti-racists who attacked his meetings could also be mocked for being so stupid that they took Icke seriously! Despite increasingly bizarre ideas, Icke became more and more succesful, and I admit that I have no idea why. Perhaps the biggest secret is that his worldview is a veritable smorgasbord of every conceivable conspiracy theory, coached in a New Age-style spiritual message, which makes it possible for almost everyone to find *something* to relate to in Icke´s messaging?
"Renegade" doesn´t mention the most controversial parts of Icke´s worldview (the idea that an evil cabal of shape-shifting reptoid aliens are in control of the world), instead concentrating on ideas with a potentially broader appeal. Thus, we hear Icke lecturing about US foreign policy: the Neo-Cons, 9/11, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine and color revolutions (he doesn´t seem impressed by Trump). He discusses AI, trans-humanism and plans to develop microchips that can be inserted under the skin or even into the brain. In another lengthty excerpt from his speeches, Icke explains how we are all part of a vast cosmic consciousness, and that the world surrounding us is strictly speaking an illusion (and a mental prison).
"Renegade" follows Icke on a visit to his birth town of Leicester, and we get to hear some reminescenses from his childhood and teenage years. Around 1990, Icke started to get strange experiences he interpreted as spiritual, both in Britain and during a visit to ancient ruins in Peru. He clearly believes that some kind of supernatural entity or force is feeding him information (or leading him to it) through synchronicities or some form of more direct communication. Icke also mentions the extreme ridicule he and his family had to undergo after his 1991 appearence on the "Wogan" show. It´s interesting to note that Icke´s son Jaymie actually supports his father and organizes his speaking tours.
Finding "main line" people ready to express support for David Icke must be hard, yet the producers of "Renegade" did manage to find two such persons. One is Ivan Pernar, a member of parliament in Croatia, representing the populist but apparently anti-nationalist party Zivi zid (Living Wall or Human Shield), who explicitly mentions Icke as a source of inspiration, more specifically Icke´s anti-banking message. Zivi zid started as an anti-eviction activist group, and seem to regard all debts to banks as illegitimate, since the banks are "creating money out of thin air". (According to Wiki, Pernar later left Zivi zid to create his own party, SIP. He is no longer an MP.) The other relatively respectable person to openly express admiration for Icke is African-American novelist Alice Walker, who seems to be broadly left-liberal in political orientation. "Renegade" shows how Icke meets Walker in her huge house outside LA.
I admit that I´m not a big fan of Icke, not even in this somewhat moderate version. One thing that struck me when listening to the man is how "cyberpunk" he sounds. The New Age message is expressed in the form of Internet-related metaphors, "The Matrix" is explicitly referenced, and as already noted, Icke believes that complete cyber-control of humanity is one of the goals of the secret societies running the world. Thus, Icke simultaneously both expresses fear of IT and fascination with the same. My prediction, for what its worth, is that this IT-ish angle will be seen as increasingly out-of-date as the IT machine (and other Machines?) wind down due to the energy crisis. However, the on-going conflicts over COVID vaccines, vaccine passports and vaccine mandates will probably make sure that Icke´s original version of conspirituality will continue to get a hearing. As Paul Kingsnorth pointed out recently, just a year ago the idea of vaccine passports sounded like something crazy David Icke would say, yet here they are...
Maybe that´s the weirdest part of the entire world situation. Life imitates art. Politics imitate conspiracy theory.
Wtf.